Lil Red Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 awesome pics!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 The Church is infallible, but I am finding that as I grow as a Catholic, that priests are very fallible. I once heard a priest call Jesus, "Mr. Peace." He said, "You know, like Mr. Coffee, only instead of Coffee, he gives us peace." Things are getting better in the Church. You are coming into the faith at a good time. In the short time I've been Catholic I have learned that the Church is recovering quite a bit that had been presumed lost. It is getting better everyday. Today is a good day to be in communion with the Holy See. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted May 3, 2004 Author Share Posted May 3, 2004 Yeah, he's like "Devotion to Mary is absolutely central and essential to our salvation". I'm thinking "Mariam devotion is important and certianly should not be neglected by those who understand Mary's role. But I would say that it is baptism that is "central and essential to our salvation moreso than Mariam devotion. One can live life without being devoted to the Blessed Virgin and still receive grace enough to enter heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs. Bro. Adam Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 [quote] ... I was wondering what you were thinking during the homily and May crowning... lol Doesn't it figure that at your first "official" Sunday Mass since deciding to reconcile its the May crowning, honoring Mary (which is probably one of the hardest things, aside from the True Presence, for non-Catholics to come to terms with). [/quote] The thoughts that went through my head during Mass. [i] Ok...I know why they do that (the holy water to cleanse you as you enter to be before God's holiness), hmm...I wonder who that is? (Looking up at the picture of St. Peter, Jesus, and Pope John Paul II) Hmm...that's interesting, I haven't seen that yet (the walk down the aisle with the incense and the crown). I wonder if it's someone's first communion? Naw...they'd be wearing white dresses. That's a pretty headpiece, though. (Crowning of Mary), that's interesting. Where'd that head piece go? Oh! There it is. (Moving the statue) wonder why they're doing that, probably so that they can have more room. (Scripture reading): Hey! I know those verses! They are very good verses! (The homily): Never thought about it [b]that[/b] way before. (Right before everyone kneels): Don't they usually kneel about now? I could've sworn that they did! (People kneel): Oh! There they go! Is Adam going to kneel, cause if he does, I will. (The Eucharist): Well...I definitely can't take that yet! Should I step out and back one, or should I just stay and move my knees so people can pass? Hmm...Adam's not moving, so I'll just move my knees. [/i] I was mainly trying to observe and see how things were done, and tried very hard to remember [b]why[/b] things were done. Part of the time I was thinking, [i]awwwww, Adrienne looks sooooooooooo cute!!![/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 (edited) [quote]Yeah, he's like "Devotion to Mary is absolutely central and essential to our salvation". I'm thinking "Mariam devotion is important and certianly should not be neglected by those who understand Mary's role. But I would say that it is baptism that is "central and essential to our salvation moreso than Mariam devotion. One can live life without being devoted to the Blessed Virgin and still receive grace enough to enter heaven. [/quote] Perhaps it is not that you have suffered one to the Catholic Church's notoriously bad homilies. Maybe you haven't acclimated yet. When I first converted it bothered me to see statues of Mary in central locations in the church, where I deemed a crucifix should be. I see in retrospect that Marian devotion, and perhaps devotion to the Holy Family, are indeed central to the faith, though of course not the [i]center[/i] of the faith. It took me a long time just to see how effective, deeply spiritual, and beautiful Marian prayer is. And I have heard Mary dismissed by a priest! Devotion to Mary is central to the Faith because she the Mother of the Church, the Queen of Heaven, the Queen of the Angels, the Virgin of Virgins, and the Refuge of Sinners. Devotion to Mary is essential to our salvation because she is the Mother of the Church, &c., and you can't be Catholic without acknowledging Mary's role is salvation history (past, present and future history). I will keep you in my prayers. EDIT: I read something interesting today in my Handbook of Prayers (awesome book!) Mary is the Daughter of God the Father, she is the Mother of God the Son, and she is the Spouse of God the Holy Spirit. If the Trinity is central to the Faith, how can Mary not be? Edited May 3, 2004 by theculturewarrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted May 3, 2004 Author Share Posted May 3, 2004 You have a good point, and I guess that is what bothered me is that I was thinking in terms of Mariam devotion being the center of salvation, instead of seeing "central" in its proper place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 you guys looked like you had a wonderful time!! im soo gonna stop by katie's house if i ever go by Ohio......LOL only if im invited of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 [quote name='Mrs. Bro. Adam' date='May 3 2004, 11:59 AM'] The thoughts that went through my head during Mass. [i] Ok...I know why they do that (the holy water to cleanse you as you enter to be before God's holiness), hmm...I wonder who that is? (Looking up at the picture of St. Peter, Jesus, and Pope John Paul II) Hmm...that's interesting, I haven't seen that yet (the walk down the aisle with the incense and the crown). I wonder if it's someone's first communion? Naw...they'd be wearing white dresses. That's a pretty headpiece, though. (Crowning of Mary), that's interesting. Where'd that head piece go? Oh! There it is. (Moving the statue) wonder why they're doing that, probably so that they can have more room. (Scripture reading): Hey! I know those verses! They are very good verses! (The homily): Never thought about it [b]that[/b] way before. (Right before everyone kneels): Don't they usually kneel about now? I could've sworn that they did! (People kneel): Oh! There they go! Is Adam going to kneel, cause if he does, I will. (The Eucharist): Well...I definitely can't take that yet! Should I step out and back one, or should I just stay and move my knees so people can pass? Hmm...Adam's not moving, so I'll just move my knees. [/i] I was mainly trying to observe and see how things were done, and tried very hard to remember [b]why[/b] things were done. Part of the time I was thinking, [i]awwwww, Adrienne looks sooooooooooo cute!!![/i] [/quote] lol Next time, kneel if you want to, its ok--maybe if you kneel first Adam will kneel too. Since you're going to be officially Catholics in just under a year you may as well get in the habit of participating in Mass by kneeling and saying the prayers adn repsonses. And when people are getting out of the pew, do whatever is easiest and most comfortable, be it getting up to let them out, or just moving a little so they can get past. I always observe the windows and things in parishes I've never been to, too. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted May 3, 2004 Author Share Posted May 3, 2004 Katie and Matt are superdoper awesome. So is Carson and his girlfriend Becky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 Culturewarrior, great explanations! Flowery, of COURSE you're invited! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs. Bro. Adam Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 [quote name='IcePrincessKRS' date='May 3 2004, 04:04 PM'] lol Next time, kneel if you want to, its ok--maybe if you kneel first Adam will kneel too. Since you're going to be officially Catholics in just under a year you may as well get in the habit of participating in Mass by kneeling and saying the prayers adn repsonses. And when people are getting out of the pew, do whatever is easiest and most comfortable, be it getting up to let them out, or just moving a little so they can get past. I always observe the windows and things in parishes I've never been to, too. lol [/quote] Ok..... It's sooo weird to think that I'm going to be Catholic! What's even weider to think is that I'm excited about becoming Catholic!!! I think Catholic churches are sooo beautfiul! I'll admit, though...in the beginning I thought that Catholic churches were scarey, with all the paintings and statues, but now it's just wonderful and wonderful to be there! So...Katie...are you trying to tell me to be a leader, not a follower? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs. Bro. Adam Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 Hmm...does that mean I can take over the world now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 Yes, but Matt is trying to do the same thing, so maybe you two should work together... He's already told a couple of his brothers what countries they'll be in charge of.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs. Bro. Adam Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 ROFLOL!!!!! As long as I get Antartica I'll be happy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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