Pepsi And Abortions

[i<3franciscans]

[quote name='brandelynmarie' timestamp='1322349412' post='2340879']


I've always called water Adam's Ale.
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sweet...

if it was ale, i would be drunk.

[Nihil Obstat]

I bet Adam and Eve made mead and wine.

[brandelynmarie]

Hmmmm...

[i<3franciscans]

they were born adults

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='i<3franciscans' timestamp='1322349929' post='2340885']
they were born adults
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So was Pope Benedict. Ipso facto, bring on the booze!

[Norseman82]

Well, I don't drink caffeine any more anyway since my doctor read me the riot act when my blood pressure measured high.

Edited November 27, 2011 by Norseman82

[MIKolbe]

[quote name='Maximilianus' timestamp='1322280541' post='2340625']
Move to Chile.
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I bet it's cold there.



get it, Chile and chilly.....

[Totus Tuus]

This is pretty old news... but Coke is so much better anyway that this is not a difficult boycott. Haha.

[BG45]

[quote name='i<3franciscans' timestamp='1322331776' post='2340791']
BG45, thanks for the list.... I think I am going to frame it and hang it in my car.

The only thing I was disappointed about was target. I love target.
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Glad to share, but as Max restated, it is a bit old, and Target has stopped apparently.

[quote name='Maximilianus' timestamp='1322334743' post='2340816']
That list is old, there can be companies that are not on that list that are on there now or that aren't on there anymore or that got off and got back on.
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Quite true that it is dated, as my post stated:
[quote name='BG45' timestamp='1322321630' post='2340746']
From the [url="http://www.stantoninus.net/listab.htm"]St. Antoninus Institute for Catholic Education in Business's 2002 list:[/url]
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It was meant to be an example of how we can't necessarily boycott every company, because they reach into every facet of our lives, as Vee pointed out with her tax dollars. Those browsing PM with iPhones, for example, are supporting abortion by using AT&T. Those who work for a large number of companies (some of which PMers work for) are supporting abortion by working there. Watch almost any television or film and a person is supporting abortion. Using a Microsoft product would be supporting abortion. Depending on one's pharmacy, bank, insurance provider, cigarette brand, or if one shops at Wal-Mart, one is supporting abortion.

That's why I was trying to reiterate the point about prayer being so efficacious. Hope I've cleared up any misunderstandings. And thanks for clearing up Target!

[MissScripture]

I don't like Target just because they are a pain to deal with!

I'm much more likely to pay attention to something like this, rather than donations to PP, however, because those lists can include things like giving to another organization that gives to PP, or the employees choosing to donate their money there pre-tax. And that's not necessarily the fault of the company. Plus, I can't control what people do with money after I give it to them. There are products I avoid because of their PP connection, but that is more things like Johnson and Johnson baby products, which I find ironic.
ETA: Also, while WE all know that PP's main goal is abortion, there are people out there who honestly believe the propaganda PP spews about being for women's health and wanting to limit abortions, so I can understand why people could be convinced that donating to them is a good idea.

In this case, it isn't so much that I think it will make a point by my not buying their products, but the fact that I am so entirely repulsed by the very idea of them actually using aborted fetal cells to develop food products that I can't stomach the thought of buying them and actually consuming them.

Edited November 27, 2011 by MissScripture

[i<3franciscans]

[quote name='MissScripture' timestamp='1322432940' post='2341273']

In this case, it isn't so much that I think it will make a point by my not buying their products, but the fact that I am so entirely repulsed by the very idea of them actually using aborted fetal cells to develop food products that I can't stomach the thought of buying them and actually consuming them.
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Amen!

[Feankie]

It's just not the food companies and telephone carriers that take our money and use it in ways we don't approve. I've found out it's my bank (GLBT parades, etc.), the electric company (Planned Parenthood), the gas company, and it goes on and on. I think y'all would be appalled to find out where some of your money goes after you've paid your utility bills. I know I am.

[GregorMendel]

I feel like a clarification is deserved upon this matter. This comment is merely meant to inform what I suspect is a fundamental misunderstanding of cell biology, and is purely factual, expressing none of my own sentiments.

The statement that Senomyx "uses aborted fetal cells in the research and development of artificial flavor enhancers" has a very large caveat attached to it which must be noted, if one hopes to understand modern biotechnology or criticize it.

The cells in question which Senomyx and countless other biotech research companies utilize are Human Embryonic Kidney Cells, the exact line being called "HEK293". Let me begin by stating that, Yes, HEK293 was [b][u][i]originally[/i][/u][/b] cultured from the kidney cells of aborted fetuses, so to invoke the term "aborted fetal cells" is technically correct, if scientifically inaccurate.

However, while it makes absolutely no moral difference, you should be aware that such technology doesnt perpetuate abortion whatsoever, as the cells grow themselves under appropriate laboratory conditions (having undergone transformation via adenovirus), and is completely legal. The transformed cell line was created in the 1970's, and has become a cornerstone in modern industrial molecular biology since then.

The ubiquitous use of HEK293 is primarily due to the ease of transfecting the cells with foreign DNA, in order to study the proteins expressed. It is in this way that a company such as Senomyx may use HEK293; in this case, receptors expressed upon the cell (after transfection) aid in the discovery of potential sweeteners, or any other chemical which acts as an agonist to the receptor. This is also why there is technically no reason why the collaboration of PepsiCo and Senomyx would induce "an image that makes the stomach turn", as it really is just a hunt for novel chemical compounds.

This type of issue is present all around us these days, and you would be very surprised at the methods used to create many of our modern conveniences. This is why we must not be inflammatory or misleading with our rhetoric, but rather always seek the truth and weigh our findings against our morals, or else we would swear off nearly every modern discovery or technological breakthrough.

The informed dissenter must have a minimal understanding of the science involved before swearing off Pepsi products, especially since the alternative is Coke (Yuk!).

[Little Flower]

[quote name='GregorMendel' timestamp='1322518716' post='2341859']
I feel like a clarification is deserved upon this matter. This comment is merely meant to inform what I suspect is a fundamental misunderstanding of cell biology, and is purely factual, expressing none of my own sentiments.

The statement that Senomyx "uses aborted fetal cells in the research and development of artificial flavor enhancers" has a very large caveat attached to it which must be noted, if one hopes to understand modern biotechnology or criticize it.

The cells in question which Senomyx and countless other biotech research companies utilize are Human Embryonic Kidney Cells, the exact line being called "HEK293". Let me begin by stating that, Yes, HEK293 was [b][u][i]originally[/i][/u][/b] cultured from the kidney cells of aborted fetuses, so to invoke the term "aborted fetal cells" is technically correct, if scientifically inaccurate.

However, while it makes absolutely no moral difference, you should be aware that such technology doesnt perpetuate abortion whatsoever, as the cells grow themselves under appropriate laboratory conditions (having undergone transformation via adenovirus), and is completely legal. The transformed cell line was created in the 1970's, and has become a cornerstone in modern industrial molecular biology since then.

The ubiquitous use of HEK293 is primarily due to the ease of transfecting the cells with foreign DNA, in order to study the proteins expressed. It is in this way that a company such as Senomyx may use HEK293; in this case, receptors expressed upon the cell (after transfection) aid in the discovery of potential sweeteners, or any other chemical which acts as an agonist to the receptor. This is also why there is technically no reason why the collaboration of PepsiCo and Senomyx would induce "an image that makes the stomach turn", as it really is just a hunt for novel chemical compounds.

This type of issue is present all around us these days, and you would be very surprised at the methods used to create many of our modern conveniences. This is why we must not be inflammatory or misleading with our rhetoric, but rather always seek the truth and weigh our findings against our morals, or else we would swear off nearly every modern discovery or technological breakthrough.

The informed dissenter must have a minimal understanding of the science involved before swearing off Pepsi products, especially since the alternative is Coke (Yuk!).
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Well not being a church scholar im not sure if that completely ok's it, but anyhow if its not IN pepsi but they are somehow related or something there is nothing wrong at all with buying Pepsi.
If it was actually in the Pepsi I would be more hesitant about buying it

[MissyP89]

[quote name='vee8' timestamp='1322280061' post='2340614']
If I boycotted every company that did something I disagreed with Id go bonkers and never be able to buy anything!! All I am able to do is pray for an end to abortion which I do daily with my Rosary.
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You're smart.

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1322298794' post='2340699']
I have heard that combining Coke with Pepsi makes a glorious drink. but im not sure it is worth the possibility of being smote with lightening.
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You're funny.

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1322348024' post='2340871']
The only thing I drink rum with is more rum.
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You're just badaz.