What Is So Hard To Accept About The Catholic Faith

[Crusader_4]

I think part of it is understanding....and being able to confidently trust both tradition and scritpure.

[dairygirl4u2c]

Your claim to truth isn't any better to anybody else's claim to truth. Your truth is actually just a bunch of assumptions, just as you may say everybody else's is. So with this in mind, how can you stay persistant in your denial that you are making assumptions? I have faith yet I admit my assumptions. It'd seem an unhealthy mental catharsis to claim otherwise. Is your faith really healthy if you can't admit your assumptions and that they may be wrong? If yes, then please explain that to me.

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' date='May 2 2004, 07:55 PM']Your claim to truth isn't any better to anybody else's claim to truth. Your truth is actually just a bunch of assumptions, just as you may say everybody else's is. So with this in mind, how can you stay persistant in your denial that you are making assumptions? I have faith yet I admit my assumptions. It'd seem an unhealthy mental catharsis to claim otherwise. Is your faith really healthy if you can't admit your assumptions and that they may be wrong? If yes, then please explain that to me.[/quote]
Number one the Catholic Church's teaching are not assumptions, there 100% The TRUTH!

I don't know about you but I want a Church I can trust and know that is from God Himself, He gave His Church the authority to carry out it's duties!

The Catholic Truth is the Only Truth, I will never deny that, #1 because by God's grace I know it's true, why would I ever deny it?!

Thats enough for me. Even though your question is a little of the topic, I will be glad to answer questions you have on another thread.

I think because the Catholic Church has the fullness of Truth is more healthy than anything on this earth. You know your getting the best food

The Catholic Church does not make assumptions, it teaches the Truth of Jesus Christ, if you want proof all you have to do is a study over 2000 years to see how the gates of hell have not prevailed against Christ's Catholic Church.

Personal assumptions compared to the Catholic Church are two whole different things. I'm a sinner that makes mistakes everyday, that has nothing to do with the way the Church Teaches, that's my personal flaw!

Anyway the peace of Christ be with you,
hope to talk to you on your concerns,
God Bless,
Jason

[Katholikos]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' date='May 2 2004, 06:55 PM']Your claim to truth isn't any better to anybody else's claim to truth. Your truth is actually just a bunch of assumptions, just as you may say everybody else's is. So with this in mind, how can you stay persistant in your denial that you are making assumptions? I have faith yet I admit my assumptions. It'd seem an unhealthy mental catharsis to claim otherwise. Is your faith really healthy if you can't admit your assumptions and that they may be wrong? If yes, then please explain that to me.[/quote]

Jesus Christ -- God Himself, Second Person of the Blessed Trinity -- founded the Catholic Church for the salvation of the world (Mt 16:18). And he told Peter and the Apostles, the leaders of His Church, "whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven . . ." (Mt 16:17, 18:18) and "He who hears you, hears me . . . (Lk 10:16).

We can't prove that Jesus was God, that's in the realm of faith, but we can make a very good case for it.

The existence of the Church and its role is well attested in the first century, in Acts and elsewhere. It's attested to by the Roman persecutions! The selection and canonization of the New Testament writings and formation of the Bible in the fourth century and beginning of the fifth is well documented.

Jesus left us a Church, not a Book. The Catholic Church was God's agent in producing the Bible.

This is not based on assumptions, but on verifiable facts written on the stones of history.

Ave Cor Mariae, Likos

[Quietfire]

wow, likos....that was deep. and insightful.

I cant add anything, cant explain right now how I ended up here because its far too personal to discuss now.
Maybe someday when I convert... well, not convert actually. More like receive Holy communion and be confirmed.

Its still a feeling right now. I know, I KNOW this is where I'm supposed to be. Everything is falling into place.

Someday....it'll be a great story though.

Peace.

[Anna]

Quietfire, it's so nice to have you here.
I like your name, your avatar, and your posts.
Welcome.

DairyGirl,
If all faiths were simply assumptions, then none of us would possess Truth.
One Church was founded by Jesus Christ Himself: "...upon this rock, I will build [b]My Church[/b] and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
All [i]other belief systems[/i] are based on assumptions.

And you know what happens when we [i]assume[/i]: we make an [i]ass[/i] of [i]u[/i] and [i]me[/i].

Pax Christi. <><

[IcePrincessKRS]

[Katholikos]

[quote name='Quietfire' date='May 2 2004, 10:21 PM'] wow, likos....that was deep. and insightful.

I cant add anything, cant explain right now how I ended up here because its far too personal to discuss now.
Maybe someday when I convert... well, not convert actually. More like receive Holy communion and be confirmed.

Its still a feeling right now. I know, I KNOW this is where I'm supposed to be. Everything is falling into place.

Someday....it'll be a great story though.

Peace. [/quote]

[Crusader_4]

Eucharist and Marian devotions are very hard to except coming from a Protestant background because there is really nothing in comparison in many of hte protestants church's unless you are an anglican in Canada.

[yezad]

God Bless
Jason [/QUOTE]
Is it scary? Because I noticed like a anger come out of him like it was making him upset not in a mean way but in a fearful way.

Is there fear?
Not Fear i believe what you wiil find is that as passionate as your are about your faith he is about his when you negativily attack somones personal relationship with Christ you envoke passion not anger. These are th things wars are fought over anger dosn't fuel war passion does.

Edited May 4, 2004 by yezad

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote name='yezad' date='May 3 2004, 08:12 PM'] God Bless
Jason [/QUOTE]
Is it scary? Because I noticed like a anger come out of him like it was making him upset not in a mean way but in a fearful way.

Is there fear?
Not Fear i believe what you wiil find is that as passionate as your are about your faith he is about his when you negativily attack somones personal relationship with Christ you envoke passion not anger. These are th things wars are fought over anger dosn't fuel war passion does. [/quote]
Passion? [b]Hate starts wars?[/b]

[yezad]

all though yours my be a vallid opinion it is opinion that i dont believe history will bear out.
however its not on topic the topic beeing dicussed is why passion is missunderstood as fear .
protastants believe in Jesus and yes he is the same Jesus. the same passion you have for your religion is the same passion we hve for ours.

Edited May 4, 2004 by yezad

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote name='yezad' date='May 3 2004, 08:40 PM']all though yours my be a vallid opinion it is opinion that i dont believe history will bear out.
however its not on topic the topic beeing dicussed is why passion is missunderstood as fear .
protastants  believe in Jesus  and yes he is the same Jesus. the same passion you have for your religion is the same passion we hve for ours.[/quote]
I sense some passion here?

It's all good brother, this is a debate table we talk things out.

Yes you are right I am passionate about Christ's Catholic Church as I'm sure there are many Protestant brothers and sisters who are passionate about their teachings.

If you tell someone something that they come to find out to be true (by Gods good grace) , are you saying there is no fear there?

I don't know, I never went through that? I know I've herd stories of people going through alot coming home to the Catholic Faith, thinking somethings wouldn't work out, but God's grace said other wise!

God Bless yezad,
Post back!
Jason

[the lumberjack]

[quote name='Crusader_4' date='May 3 2004, 04:13 PM'] Eucharist and Marian devotions are very hard to except coming from a Protestant background because there is really nothing in comparison in many of hte protestants church's unless you are an anglican in Canada. [/quote]
you know, what it is so hard to accept about the eucharistic devotion is that you believe to be eating God Himself...that, to any "protestant" Christian is nothing short of blasphemy.

we also hold communion to be a very solemn and serious tradition, but we do not think that we are eating Christ in any way.

in John 6, which we have a good job of arguing over... the Catholic Church says that Christ said that He was to be eaten and drunk... and the same goes for the Last Supper.

but Christ also said "I am the door..." does this mean that Christ is literally a door?

"I am the light of the world" does this mean that He is the sun in the sky?

"I am the true vine" does this mean that Christ is literally a vine?

"I am the root" does this mean that Christ is underground?

this is why we have a problem with the absolute transubstantiation of the host.

God bless.

[Dave]

[quote name='the lumberjack' date='May 4 2004, 01:23 PM'] you know, what it is so hard to accept about the eucharistic devotion is that you believe to be eating God Himself...that, to any "protestant" Christian is nothing short of blasphemy.

we also hold communion to be a very solemn and serious tradition, but we do not think that we are eating Christ in any way.

in John 6, which we have a good job of arguing over... the Catholic Church says that Christ said that He was to be eaten and drunk... and the same goes for the Last Supper.

but Christ also said "I am the door..." does this mean that Christ is literally a door?

"I am the light of the world" does this mean that He is the sun in the sky?

"I am the true vine" does this mean that Christ is literally a vine?

"I am the root" does this mean that Christ is underground?

this is why we have a problem with the absolute transubstantiation of the host.

God bless. [/quote]
"I am the door" and "I am the vine" make sense as metaphors because Christ is like a door—we go to heaven through him—and he is also like a vine—we get our spiritual sap through him. But Christ takes John 6:35 far beyond symbolism by saying, "For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed" (John 6:55).

He continues: "As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me" (John 6:57). The Greek word used for "eats" (trogon) is very blunt and has the sense of "chewing" or "gnawing." This is not the language of metaphor.

In addition, in the language of that time, to eat one's body or drink one's blood in a figurative sense meant to slander and betray. So if Jesus were speaking figuratively, he would've been telling his audience that to have eternal life they must slander and betray Him. That's the height of absurdity!