Lil Red Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 [quote name='Totus Tuus' timestamp='1321651157' post='2338006'] Just chiming in here -- I have read that it's important to recognize porn as an addiction. I read, but don't know if it's true, that the chemical reaction that happens in a man's brain is stronger than the reaction that occurs when a person uses heroin, meaning that it's more addictive (and maybe this happens in a woman's brain too- because while I do not deny the problem that porn can be for women,[b] I don't know if this particular fact is true for them since they're not wired as visually[/b]). Porn can't just be treated as a moral problem, but as an addiction that men and women literally need to affirm that they have and seek treatment of some sort. [/quote] i see this a lot and i'd like to have backup for this 'fact'....as I think more and more nowadays, young girls are JUST AS visually stimulated as guys are, because of what tv/magazines/videos are pushing in front of them at a young age. what i bolded from your statement (not picking on you, but the attitude) is part of what keeps women, especially Christian women, in the cycle of porn addiction; "What's wrong with me? Only guys are supposed to be attracted to porn"...thereby leading to more shame, more hiding, more guilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 (edited) [quote name='missionseeker' timestamp='1321651994' post='2338011'] Alright, let's stop this train right here. Women will never BE able to care until guys stop treating THEM like meat. 95% of the time I cannot even have a conversation with guys at my work because they are either checking out some other girl or staring at my chest. I get that this is not the case with every single guy. But for the majority, there is a huge problem. When I call them out on it, they just say "oh, but I'm just looking. they're beautiful. it doesn't hurt anyone." THAT IS A LOAD OF GARBAGE. It hurts everyone. So this whole thing is a problem for BOTH sexes. I refuse to let women take the blame. And I refuse to blame men (though it is hard as hell not to because let me tell you. sometimes if I think I just need to wear a burkah). It's a mutual thing. That means every person has to make an effort to stop treating other people in ways contrary to their inherent dignity. The whole "women need to dress modestly so men don't sin" or "women don't care about men" that is croutons. It is not true and it doesn't hold men accountable for THEIR own actions.[/quote] Ya I agree and respect what you are saying. And as big of a piece of croutons that I am io don't make comments like your coworkers or stare like that. Edited November 18, 2011 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missionseeker Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 I'm not saying you do. I don't know you. Never seen you. But I'm just pointing out that the croutons has to stop on both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 [quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1321650276' post='2337999'] I'm just talking about the sports illustrated swimsuit edition. These are beautiful natural women. No breast implants or stuff like that. The pics are not that bad either. A lot of them are tastefull. [/quote] you know what Lucifer means, right? An angel of light? Which means that he's going to make sinning seem as attractive as possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1321652492' post='2338019'] you know what Lucifer means, right? An angel of light? Which means that he's going to make sinning seem as attractive as possible?[/quote]I don't get what you mean here ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 When the chips are down, and you are dead and standing in front of Christ sitting in judgement before you, the question won't be whether or not you were better than the person beside you. He might have been an absolutely reprehensible human being, but it doesn't matter. You don't have to be better than him. It's a frightening fallacy to think that we need to be 'just good enough' to be saved. There's no scoreboard or tally sheet. We need to do [i]everything[/i] we have been called to do, to the very best of our abilities. We can't do most things pretty well and give ourselves a mulligan for our one or two pet sins. It's the hardest thing in the world... but at the same time it's also the easiest. The hard part is rejecting Satan's (empty) promises, but it's pretty easy in retrospect when all you need to do is accept the true, perfect promises of Christ. Abandon yourself to His will, not the will of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 [quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1321652650' post='2338021']I don't get what you mean here ?[/quote] i'm talking about your statement of "The pics are not that bad either. A lot of them are tastefull." Just because the pics are 'tasteful' doesn't mean the women aren't being objectified and ogled by people who view them. i.e. Satan has made it seem 'normal' to objectify these women because the pics "aren't that bad." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Ok gotcha. Ya you are right about that and its a good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissyP89 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1321652718' post='2338023'] When the chips are down, and you are dead and standing in front of Christ sitting in judgement before you, the question won't be whether or not you were better than the person beside you. He might have been an absolutely reprehensible human being, but it doesn't matter. You don't have to be better than him. It's a frightening fallacy to think that we need to be 'just good enough' to be saved. There's no scoreboard or tally sheet. We need to do [i]everything[/i] we have been called to do, to the very best of our abilities. We can't do most things pretty well and give ourselves a mulligan for our one or two pet sins. It's the hardest thing in the world... but at the same time it's also the easiest. The hard part is rejecting Satan's (empty) promises, but it's pretty easy in retrospect when all you need to do is accept the true, perfect promises of Christ. Abandon yourself to His will, not the will of the world. [/quote] Couldn't have said it better myself. When God calls, it's all or nothing. Yes, Jesus died to earn us salvation, but we've got to hold up our end of the deal. This means giving over our [i]entire [/i]lives. Good having you back, kid. <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 [quote name='MissyP89' timestamp='1321657034' post='2338045'] [...] Good having you back, kid. <3 [/quote] We'll see how much I post. ^_^ Good to see you around though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissyP89 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Spam my thread with gifs! It's not sparkly enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Do you like ponies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissyP89 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 I'm never sure how to answer questions like that with you, because there's no telling what sort of ridiculousness you'll post if I say yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totus Tuus Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1321652240' post='2338014'] i see this a lot and i'd like to have backup for this 'fact'....as I think more and more nowadays, young girls are JUST AS visually stimulated as guys are, because of what tv/magazines/videos are pushing in front of them at a young age. what i bolded from your statement (not picking on you, but the attitude) is part of what keeps women, especially Christian women, in the cycle of porn addiction; "What's wrong with me? Only guys are supposed to be attracted to porn"...thereby leading to more shame, more hiding, more guilt. [/quote] I was so clear in the fact that I was making a supposition, not stating a fact, though. I am pretty sure (but I'll try to find evidence) that it's biologically factual that mens' brains are more visually stimulated than womens'. I know from your previous posts that you're very defensive about the issue of women and porn, which is why I made the caveat in the first place. I thought that most people were in agreement that the reason why porn was addicting for women was different from why it was addicting for men. I never denied that it was equally addicting... just that it APPEARS (note my reservations!) to be addictive in a different way. (Part of the defense for my statement, by the way, is that although porn is addicting to women it is FAR more addicting for men. At the very least, men are in the majority. I'm not a pro at reviewing porn stats, obviously, but this site [url="http://internet-fiddler-review.toptenreviews.com/internet-pornography-statistics.html"]http://internet-fiddler-review.toptenreviews.com/internet-pornography-statistics.html[/url] has what appears to be a credible breakdown of porn statistics and it states that of the 40 million adult porn addicts in the US, 72% are male, and 28% are female. And that's the only site I looked at -- I didn't go fishing around for the highest discrepancy I could find.) Edited November 18, 2011 by Totus Tuus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 All of us are sinners, and avoiding sin is impossible without God's grace. No one said it would be easy, but with the help of God's grace we must try our hardest to avoid sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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