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[Maximilianus]

[quote name='Papist' timestamp='1321472014' post='2336967']
An old Cherokee is teaching his grandson about life.


"A fight is going on inside me," he says to the boy. "It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves.

One is evil - he is anger, envy sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority and ego.

The other is good - he is gratitude, joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy ,generosity, truth, compassion and faith.

This same fight is going on inside you - and inside every other person, too."

The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather which wolf would win.

The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed."
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This reminds me of Monsignor Albacete when he said this in an interview:

"As a priest, I deal with good and evil all the time. Well, first of all, as a human being, I live good and evil all the time, within me."

[MissyP89]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1321493457' post='2337200']
ya and so is getting drunk....look I think porn is awful...sick...but I'm just saying expecting a young male who doesn't have sex not to masturbate is a lot to ask....I'm not saying its ok or not a grave sin...but its not just something easy not to do...and usually its habitual or however you spell that so its not a mortal sin anyways...
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Sorry, buddy, but "it's not a mortal sin anyway" is just a cheap excuse to stay caught in the cycle. Addiction isn't a green light for sin.

"Expecting a young male ... not to masturbate is a lot to ask ..."

Again, sorry, but if you're serious about your faith, that is exactly what you're being asked to do. Yes, it's really tough. Yes, you're going to hate it. But that's what God is asking of you -- to man up, have courage, and stop.

It's not an issue of "which is more bad, with porn or not." It's about respecting yourself, God, and every woman that ever trusts you. When you choose this stuff, it basically says that your desires are more important than what anyone else needs from you.

I know you probably think it's impossible not to do it. But you can. I swear.

[Guest]

[quote name='MissyP89' timestamp='1321507705' post='2337279']

Sorry, buddy, but "it's not a mortal sin anyway" is just a cheap excuse to stay caught in the cycle. Addiction isn't a green light for sin.

"Expecting a young male ... not to masturbate is a lot to ask ..."

Again, sorry, but if you're serious about your faith, that is exactly what you're being asked to do. Yes, it's really tough. Yes, you're going to hate it. But that's what God is asking of you -- to man up, have courage, and stop.

It's not an issue of "which is more bad, with porn or not." It's about respecting yourself, God, and every woman that ever trusts you. When you choose this stuff, it basically says that your desires are more important than what anyone else needs from you.

I know you probably think it's impossible not to do it. But you can. I swear.[/quote] All that is really nice but I've had priest tell me when confessing this sin I don't have too even confess it. That its not a mortal sin. So its not about just not doing it. You should try your best but just because you might still do it doesn't mean you don't love God or your not following Him or whatever else. Ya know people joke on here all the time about getting drunk which is fine with me. But that's a grave sin too. So while masturbation is horrible and all that I do think one should be carefull when pointing fingers and laying out a huge guilt trip on someone. There is a lot worse things a man cpuld be doing then masturbating. Like having sex with different women and having kids all that. This thread is about porn anyways so sorry about derailing it again.

Edited November 17, 2011 by Guest

[MissyP89]

(Mods, please feel free to split this if you see a need. Thanks. )

OK, here's the thing. I'm not trying to lay a guilt trip on you ... we're all screwed up in one way or another. I'm not saying you don't love God. But I [i]am [/i]saying that you're making a ton of excuses and it's all bull.

I'm only being tough on you because I was the exact same way not too long ago. I don't want to see anyone be like that, especially a man who's trying to live for Him. All I'm saying is that your actions and intentions speak much louder than words. Be honest with yourself.

God bless you. I'm stepping away for the night.

[cmaD2006]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1321508550' post='2337288']
All that is really nice but I've had priest tell me when confessing this sin I don't have too even confess it. That its not a mortal sin. [/quote]

Delivery Boy -- the topic you were discussing is a grave sin. There may be circumstances (i.e. addition to it) that mitigates it from potentially being mortal, but honestly I think the priest was incorrect per se.

You can ask in Q&A for a better and more precise answer than this. But even the catechism of the Church addresses the seriousness of the matter.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='cmariadiaz' timestamp='1321509924' post='2337298']

Delivery Boy -- the topic you were discussing is a grave sin. There may be circumstances (i.e. addition to it) that mitigates it from potentially being mortal, but honestly I think the priest was incorrect per se.

You can ask in Q&A for a better and more precise answer than this. But even the catechism of the Church addresses the seriousness of the matter.
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Indeed it does:
[b]2352 [/b]By [i]masturbation [/i]is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an [size=5]intrinsically and gravely disordered action.[/size]" "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."
To form an equitable judgment about the subjects' moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, [size=6]one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety or other psychological or social factors that lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability.[/size]




Let's leave the duties of the clergy to the clergy.

Edited November 17, 2011 by USAirwaysIHS

[cmaD2006]

I love you USAirwaysIHS. Thanks

And I soooo mean this in a Christ like sort of way my bro in Christ.

Edited November 17, 2011 by cmariadiaz

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='cmariadiaz' timestamp='1321511091' post='2337301']
I love you USAirwaysIHS. Thanks

And I soooo mean this in a Christ like sort of way my bro in Christ.
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No problem. Sorry if I came off as harsh. This is a subject with which I have a close personal history.

[MissyP89]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1321511241' post='2337303']
No problem. Sorry if I came off as harsh. This is a subject with which I have a close personal history.
[/quote]

Seconding the thanks, here.

Edited November 17, 2011 by MissyP89

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='nunsense' timestamp='1321491883' post='2337177']


I told you I was naive. I have six brothers but we don't talk about these kinds of things
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well, as is commonly said, 95% of men masturbate, and the other 5% are lying. it isnt far off.

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[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1321522106' post='2337324']


well, as is commonly said, 95% of men masturbate, and the other 5% are lying. it isnt far off.
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really? I mean, really? I don't know. I'm not a male, but are you saying that NO males are chaste? I find that very sad. I'm not saying that they don't get tempted, but do they all give in? really?

[Guest]

[quote name='nunsense' timestamp='1321522518' post='2337325']


really? I mean, really? I don't know. I'm not a male, but are you saying that NO males are chaste? I find that very sad. I'm not saying that they don't get tempted, but do they all give in? really?[/quote] I haven't had sex in 5 years. I consider myself chaste. If I masturbate alone in my room I don't think that makes me unchaste 100 percent without a doubt. And yes I would say almost all men who are not married and don't have sex struggle with masturbation IF they see it as a sin. Heck if they don't see it as a sin they have no guilt about it at all. And then you have married men who still masturbate. Again I acknowledge that its a grave sin but to act like only some " sinfull " guys do it is laughable.

Edited November 17, 2011 by Guest

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[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1321523166' post='2337326']
I haven't had sex in 5 years. I consider myself chaste. If I masturbate alone in my room I don't think that makes me unchaste 100 percent without a doubt. And yes I would say almost all men who are not married and don't have sex struggle with masturbation IF they see it as a sin. Heck if they don't see it as a sin they have no guilt about it at all. And then you have married men who still masturbate. Again I acknowledge that its a grave sin but to act like only some " sinfull " guys do it is laughable.
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I guess I have to leave this up to the males to debate since I have no first hand knowledge of what 'guys' do or don't do. And as has been pointed out, it is up to the clergy to discuss the sinfulness of the act with the individual in Confession - not for any of us to judge another's sinfulness.

[Guest]

My 100 percent without a doubt comment was meaning to say I don't think it hands down makes me uchaste. Possibly it does but not for sure.

[Guest]

Testosterone levels decrease from like 35 years old and up I think. Their the highest in the teens and still high in the 20's and early 30's.

Edited November 17, 2011 by Guest