Does Time Exist In Heaven?

[Laudate_Dominum]

I thought this was a razzle dazzle QA thread so I'm hereby making a Transmundane copy.

[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/116867-does-time-exist-in-heaven/"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/116867-does-time-exist-in-heaven/[/url]


So, what do you think?

[Totus Tuus]

Didn't read the thread, but my vote is no, time doesn't exist in heaven. Unless all my theology classes to this point have been misleading!!!

[Sarah147]

I believe I read in Peter Kreeft's book on Heaven, that there is no time in Heaven.

[Basilisa Marie]

There's no time in heaven because time is ultimately measured by a series of changes, and there is no change in heaven. Or, at least time as we know it doesn't exist. It could be a different kind of 4th dimension. Maybe in heaven we finally reside in the tenth dimension, so time exists but is below our notice.

[Laudate_Dominum]

What if theosis is infinite and asymptotic - like the concept of epektasis in the writings of Nyssa and others? An eternal divinization that is never complete because God is infinitely transcendent.

[Basilisa Marie]

I just love all those words in your post.

[dominicansoul]

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What if theosis is infinite and asymptotic - like the concept of epektasis in the writings of Nyssa and others? An eternal divinization that is never complete because God is infinitely transcendent.
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i dont' understand a word you said... but i'm going to memorize this and bring this up at bible study next week and wow my peers....

[FutureSister2009]

We just discussed this in Theology. Its eternity so it's beyond time

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

earthlings can not fathom gods time,i like the idea about god is infinite beyond time and all else is subject to time including the angels and heaven,earthlings fathom time as birth, life and death,Time in heaven may be slightly different. I believe there is time in the form of progression/growing in intimacy with the lord and the kingdom of heaven. Jesus says there are many rooms in my fathers house bringing in the idea of exploration.Children are very curious and like to explore,why would god suppress this nature in heaven if he says that the kingdom of heaven are made for children such as these,and as christian adults(children of god) we explore the holy sacrements,the holy word,sacred tradition,encyclical letters and written works of the saints(plus much more including examining our concience and prayer.) The chatechism actually when speaking of heaven says heaven/s whether they choose not to speak on the matter or that some goto heaven and some get to explore multiple heavens i don't know. By the way i used to watch that show 7th heaven before i converted and since converting have thought about heaven as heavens and comparing it to the rainbow which has 7 colors,and in the book of tobit it states there are actually 7 archs(i think it said 7 please read the book to find out,it is in the bible.) possibly each arch is like the head of each heaven after GOD himself. And possibly heaven/s grow like when jesus said what you bind on earth will be bound in heaven and what you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven,our lord also states i believe when giving a short statement that you will go where you believe you will go(of course i know there is more to it than just that statement.and sorry i don't know what was leading up to that statement our lord made or what he said after,and whether pre or post to that statement gives a greater light on what he revealed.) Think and pray about all this if you would like,and discuss it with some close friends whom are bretheren and bring your groups ideas to an elder(possibly best somoeone with practising children whom are of age,or any other eldery person/s whom have been practising the faith through out there whole life.) or the priest or deacon of your local parish or possibly a nun or missionary brother or sister.(i'm sure they can find an hour to spare for you eventually.And even ask a variety of all whom i have mentioned to get a broader spectrum of answers.)

God bless you all.
JC "seek and ye shall find,knock and the door will be opened." "be baptised and believe and you will be saved." "if you eat my flesh and drink my blood you will have life in you."
St Paul "persistance bears fruits of hope."

Edited November 16, 2011 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye

[BarbTherese]

"There will be a new Heaven and a new earth". "The whole of creation groans awaiting the arrival of the children of God".
There certainly is no time in God and Heaven is God. All is Present, The Now, in God. But I do not believe that God creates in order to destroy. God is the Alpha and the Omega - all that is good begins in God and finds its ending in God. What all that means in real terms, I have no idea.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

[quote name='BarbaraTherese' timestamp='1321476778' post='2337008']
"There will be a new Heaven and a new earth". "The whole of creation groans awaiting the arrival of the children of God".
There certainly is no time in God and Heaven is God. All is Present, The Now, in God. But I do not believe that God creates in order to destroy. God is the Alpha and the Omega - all that is good begins in God and finds its ending in God. What all that means in real terms, I have no idea.
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well there we go you lovely orthodox roman catholic may the almighty GOD of all that was,is and ever will be bless you and yours emensly

Edited November 16, 2011 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

orthodox roman catholics never say they know if they don't know, though these wonderful orthodox roman catholics will give you here says and assumptions without selling it to you as the truth.

GOD bless you all
JESUS iz LORD

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

GOD iz GOOD , GOD iz LOVE , GOD SAVES.
hey on the orthodox roman catholic plug they will always tell you it is a here say as well. sohhhhhhhhhhhh................

[Laudate_Dominum]

I was reading the following paper earlier and recalled this thread.

[url="http://www.verujem.org/maksim_ispovednik/Perpetual%20progres.pdf"]Maximus the Confessor, Gregory of Nyssa, and the Concept of Perpetual Progress[/url]

[Luigi]

I don't know whether there is time in heaven, but personally I hope there isn't. Or at least that we don't have to live by time - schedules, deadlines (well, I guess we'll ALL be dead, won't we?), etc.

Personally, I feel like there's never enough time - I hope that one of the perfections of heaven is that I finally have enough time.

The way I envision it, I'll have enough time to visit with every person I've ever known - my grandma, her aunt, my grandfathers I never met, one of my high school teachers in particular, Sr. Loretta James who taught me in fifth grade, even Fra Angelico and Pope John Paul II. We won't have to cut our conversations short because it's getting late and I have school tomorrow, or because one of us is getting tired, or one of us has to go to work. We'll be able to talk - or commune somehow - about every event in our lives & how we felt about that. We'll be able to take all the time in the world - or in heaven - because we'll have all eternity to get around to talking to the next person we haven't seen since they died.

So if we define time as "experiencing a series of changes," then there could be time in heaven, as we exchange ideas and move from conversing with one holy soul to another. But the sun wouldn't come up or go down, the seasons wouldn't change, the clock wouldn't tick (unless a ticking eight-day clock in the background is part of your ideal existence), and we wouldn't have to live or die by schedules. I suppose somewhere in our heavenly non-schedule we would be scheduled for prayer, but I can't figure out that articulates with my vision.

If Phatmass is still around when I get to heaven (and that's not a sure bet for either Phatmass or me), and if I can communicate from heaven to Phatmass (which is even less likely), I'll post a thread to let everybody know the heavenly horarium. But I won't post it in the debate table - there would be no room for debate at that point.