How Is Mary Related To My Salvation?

[traichuoi]

[quote name='narnia' date='Apr 30 2004, 10:42 AM'] Correct. Although Mary gave birth to Jesus. We thank her and are grateful for that.

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curious, how do you give thanks and gratitude to Mary?

[Katholikos]

For the record --

"Becase of her intimate and unparalleled sharing in the mysterious work [i]with the divine Redeemer,[/i] Mary, human Mother of the Redeemer, has merited the Church title, "Coredemptrix" which literally means [i]'with the Redeemer.'[/i]

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"The prefix [i]'co'[/i] [as in coredemptrix] does not mean equal, but comes from the Latin word, [i]"cum,"[/i] which means "with." [i]The title of Coredemptrix applied to the Mother of Jesus never places Mary on a level of equality with Jesus Christ, the divine Lord of all, in the saving process of humanity's redemption.[/i] Rather, it denotes Mary's singular and unique [i]sharing with her Son in the saving work of redemption for the human family.[/i] The Mother of Jesus [i]participates[/i] in the redemptive work of her [i]Savior Son, who alone could reconcile humanity wlth the Father in his glorious divinity and humanity,[/i] Jesus Christ, true God and true man, redeems the human family, [i]as the God-man.[/i] Mary, who is [i]completely subordinate and dependent[/i] to her redeeming Son even for her own human redemption, [i]participates[/i] in the redemptive act of her Son [i]as his exalted human mother.[/i]

" 'Thus, the daughter of Abraham, Mary, consenting to the word of God, became the Mother of Jesus. Commiting herself wholeheartedly and impeded by no sin to God's saving will, she devoted herself totally, as a handmaid of the Lord, to the person and work of her Son, under and with him, serving the work of redemption. . .' [i]Lumen Gentium[/i] n. 56"

"The term, "Woman" [Woman, behold your son. . .Son, behold your mother" Jn 19:26-27] unites the Mother of the Savior at the foot of the cross with the "Woman" of the seed of redemption in Genesis (cf 3:15), who will work [i]with the Redeemer[/i] in the triumph over Satan and his seed of sin and death."

"Mary then can rightly be seen as the [i]Coredemptrix[/i] (with the Redeemer). For it is Mary who feely gave the instrument of Redemption, the human body, to Jesus Christ."

Dr. Mark Miraville, [i]Mary, Coredemptrix, Mediatrix, Advocate[/i], pp. xiv, xv, 8, 12, Queenship Publishing, 1993 (Nihil Obstat, Imprimatur)

[Katholikos]

[quote name='the lumberjack' date='May 1 2004, 12:37 AM']and about Mary...if she would've said no, another woman would've been chosen by God...its really not that hard for Him...unlike what has been said before.

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God chose Mary [u]from all eternity[/u] to be the Mother of the Redeemer. Just as He knew [i]from all eternity[/i] that the human race would require a Redeemer because He knew [i]from all eternity[/i] that He would create Adam and Eve and that they would fall from His Grace. God has foreknowledge of everything.

He KNEW Mary would not say no [i]from all eternity[/i] -- and therefore He prepared her sinless soul to receive the Divine Redeemer from the moment she was conceived in her mother Anna's womb.

God didn't go around looking for someone who was willing to be the Mother of the Divine Redeemer. -- eeny, meeny, miney, mo. He chose Mary, but she had free will and could have refused Him. But He knew she would not -- not because she had no choice but because He knows everything in the past, present, and future all at once, [i]outside of time[/i].

Just as He knew before the beginning of time that I would ultimately be a Catholic .

[jasJis]

May is Mary's month. It is a month, like Mary, [u]which is not so much necessary [/u]([b]as if God is under the iron rule of some grim law of economics or physics[/b]) [u][b]as radically unnecessary, gratuitous, and lavish[/b][/u]. People often ask why Mary is "necessary" to Catholic piety. But this is like asking whether flowers or galaxies or beautiful weather are "necessary." It's a fundamentally tone deaf way of hearing God. [u]None of creation was "necessary" to God.[/u] It exists because God just thought it was a good idea and loved it into being.

But having loved it into being, He chose also to redeem it after it was afflicted by sin, not in any old way, but in a very particular way, by taking our humanity up into His divine life. And to do this, [u]he chose Mary -again not because He needed her, but because He loved her gratuitously.[/u] We, who have been loved with the same gratuitous, inexplicable, lavish love, have little reason to cavil at this. God has loves far more than reasons. But the fact that He does so does not mean that we can't and shouldn't be grateful for His gratuitous love. And it doesn't mean we shouldn't be grateful to Mary too. She had a lot of guts - a lot more than we have - to freely say, "Let it be to me according to your word." So honor her this month.

If we can honor the soldiers who laid down everything for the love of country on Memorial Day at the end of the month, surely we can honor the young girl who laid down her will and her dear Son for the love of God and the whole world.


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[PedroX]

JasJis!!

Yeah!!!


Good to see you.


peace...

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote name='the lumberjack' date='May 1 2004, 02:21 AM'] Jason, if my "theory" needs explanation, I'm pretty much done here...for good.

really.

if you don't get that God could have full well chosen someone else to do HIS will...then you really need to go seminary...or something.

and I was posting what Christ said to brother Adam.

and IcePrincess...I'll play nice...promise. [/quote]
God can do anything He wants LJ,

That's why he made His mother perfect, not sure I'm getting your point?

God can do anything He wants, so He made His mother perfect, and Her "yes" brought your salvation, my salvation the whole worlds salvation into the world, God Himself.

If She was good enough for Him, She is good enough for me!

God Bless
Jason

[MC Just]

The Scriptures say that Mary's Soul, "MAGNIFIES" the Lord, why wouldnt one have devotion towards her? If through her we see the Lord and get to know the Lord more? It's not worshipping her. She's a "Magnifying Glass" enlarging Christ for us. We see the Lord in a larger and more clearer view. Too bad for those who reject her and call her an everyday sinner.

You say bible this and bible that, but why don't you see these points in Scripture? They are crystal clear.

Mary said, "Here am I, the servant of the Lord; let it be with me according to your word." Luke 1:38

Mary committed herself willingly to co-operate with God's plan. That is an important message for us. She was not overwhelmed and made to do what God planned; but rather she chose to co-operate. She was a willing servant -- Here am I, the servant of the Lord. God allowed her freedom and she consented positively -- let it be with me according to your word.


[b]
Luke 1:46 [/b]

My soul magnifies the Lord,
and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior;
Because He has regarded the lowliness of His handmaid;
for behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed;
Because He who is mighty has done great things for me,
and Holy is His Name;
And His mercy is from generation to generation on those who fear Him.
He has shown might with His arm,
He has scattered the proud in the conceit of their heart.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and has exalted the lowly.
He has filled the hungry with good things,
and the rich he has sent away empty.
He has given help to Israel, His servant, mindful of His mercy
Even as He spoke to our fathers -
to Abraham and to his posterity forever.

Edited May 2, 2004 by MC Just

[ironmonk]

[quote name='narnia' date='May 1 2004, 12:29 AM'] ^------ This is soOoo out of context.

haha. Anyway to clarify.. I DO NOT believe in Once Saved Always Saved. [/quote]
It's not out of context.

Are you infallible? If not, how do you know what the context is?

Have you been reading what the first Christians wrote about the New Testament meanings? They would know better than anyone just picking up a bible and expecting to understand it. I read them.

Don't just say it's out of context. Prove it. The way to prove it, show me with writings BEFORE 1000 AD to show the proper context.

It's sad how so man non-Catholics attack the Church, then when a Catholic brings up scripture, they say "out of context" but cannot prove it.

Who were the trustworthy men from 33 AD to 1517 AD that kept the sacred traditions that Paul and the other Apostles wrote about? Where is the unbroken chain of disciples from 33 AD?

...all answers are in the Catholic Church... the Church that gave us the collection of books called the New Testament know it better than any others who left her.

Acts 20:29-30


God Bless,
ironmonk

[traichuoi]

[quote]
Narnia:  Correct. Although Mary gave birth to Jesus. We thank her and are grateful for that.
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[quote] traichuoi:  curious, how do YOU give thanks and gratitude to Mary?
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Narnia?

[narnia]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='May 2 2004, 02:15 PM'] It's not out of context.

Are you infallible? If not, how do you know what the context is?

Have you been reading what the first Christians wrote about the New Testament meanings? They would know better than anyone just picking up a bible and expecting to understand it. I read them.

Don't just say it's out of context. Prove it. The way to prove it, show me with writings BEFORE 1000 AD to show the proper context.

It's sad how so man non-Catholics attack the Church, then when a Catholic brings up scripture, they say "out of context" but cannot prove it.

Who were the trustworthy men from 33 AD to 1517 AD that kept the sacred traditions that Paul and the other Apostles wrote about? Where is the unbroken chain of disciples from 33 AD?

...all answers are in the Catholic Church... the Church that gave us the collection of books called the New Testament know it better than any others who left her.

Acts 20:29-30


God Bless,
ironmonk [/quote]
I am not saying the Scripture you qouted is out of context. I am saying YOU are out of context! This topic is about Mary & Salvation not some OSAS topic.

Edited May 5, 2004 by narnia

[narnia]

[quote name='traichuoi' date='May 5 2004, 12:52 AM']




Narnia? [/quote]
Well I give thanks to God for giving us Mary.

And as for Mary... Well OK.

To the Blessed Virgin:

If you are reading this. I would like to say THANK YOU for giving birth to Jesus Christ, your Savior and mine.

With much Love and Gratitude,

Narnia

[the lumberjack]

hahahahaha

God bless!

[traichuoi]

[quote name='narnia' date='May 5 2004, 03:40 AM'] Well I give thanks to God for giving us Mary.

And as for Mary... Well OK.

To the Blessed Virgin:

If you are reading this. I would like to say  THANK YOU for giving birth to Jesus Christ, your Savior and mine. 

With much Love and Gratitude,

Narnia  [/quote]
Narnia,

the reason why i ask is because "giving" thanks is more than just saying thanks. so if you say you "give" thanks and gratitude...then how do you do that?

i'm just wondering because there are quite a few Non-Catholics who say that and I am just wondering how exactly you see yourself giving thanks...after all, in the American culture there is an entire day devoted to giving thanks and i know people do more than just say thanks...families gather, engage in tradition, etc....so how do you see it?

[Livin_the_MASS]

"As at Cana, she continues telling us today, "Do whatever He tells you" (Jn 2:5). And Our Lord in turn, as He did from Calvary, continues to say: "Behold your mother!" (Jn 19:27). Jesus took His flesh and blood from Mary's flesh and blood. Hence her Immaculate Heart is united to His Sacred Heart---they are two Hearts in One."

Quote from: [i]Louis Kaczmarek[/i]

[the lumberjack]

this is what I'm talking about...

"two hearts in one" ?????

is this not a mockery of God by making a human...a woman, equal with Him?

I do call Mary blessed among women...

I do not however conceded to giving her anything other than what the Bible has given any other servant of God.

why do you not pray to the ancestors of Mary in the same way you pray to her? were it not for them, Mary would have not been born...

ultimately, it can all be traced back to Adam and Eve...

why do you not pray to them? were it not for them, sin would have not entered the world and we would have no need for Christ...and thus, Mary would have never been needed...

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and Likos, if God chose Mary from the beginning of the world, where does this leave our free will?

or do just some of us get it and not others?

since the Catholic Church also says that Mary was born without sin...maybe she was a nice little God robot...with no free will...