How Is Mary Related To My Salvation?

[Philippe]

dUSt i gotta talk 2 u go on msn

[IcePrincessKRS]

Well said dUSt.

[Livin_the_MASS]

[b]1 Kings19-20[/b]
[quote]Then Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him for Adonijah, and [b]the king stood up to meet her and paid her homage.[/b] Then he sat down upon his throne,[b] and a throne was provided for the king's mother, who sat at his right.[/b]

"There is one small favor I would ask of you," she said. "Do not refuse me." "Ask it, my mother," the king said to her, [b]"for I will not refuse you." [/b][/quote]

OK look at this, this is the Old Testament of course you know that. You have to read Scripture as a whole.

Read what King Solomon does when his mother Bathsheba walks in He stood up honored her than had a seat brought to his right hand [b]a high place of high honor[/b] for her.

His mother has a request, what does he say? [b][u]"For I will not refuse you."[/u][/b]

Remember to read Sacred Scripture as a whole! Many books but One Book, many authors but One Divine Author.

This shows the Motherhood of Mary and how Jesus honors Her, for He is the perfect Son, He did not refuse Her request at Cana John Chapter 2: 1-12. Mary prays for us, she brings us closer to Christ, She brings Her requests that He does not refuse! Our Salvation is Her concern!

God Bless
Jason

[ironmonk]

[quote name='narnia' date='Apr 30 2004, 01:42 PM'] Correct. Although Mary gave birth to Jesus. We thank her and are grateful for that.

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life..."

Scripture clearly states that I ONLY NEED to believe in Jesus. Therefore without a devotion or a belief in Mary we can still enter Heaven.

Right? [/quote]
You should look at all the places that Scripture states what we need to do for salvation. You need to do more than believe. Faith without works is dead.






St. Matt 16:24
19 Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Whoever wishes to come after me must deny himself, 20 take up his cross, and follow me.
25 For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. 21
26 What profit would there be for one to gain the whole world and forfeit his life? Or what can one give in exchange for his life?
27 22 For the Son of Man will come with his angels in his Father's glory, and then he will repay everyone according to his conduct.
Works are very important.



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St. Matt 25:31
14 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit upon his glorious throne,
32 and all the nations 15 will be assembled before him. And he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
33 He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 Then the king will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me,
36 naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.'
37 Then the righteous 16 will answer him and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?
38 When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?
39 When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?'
40 And the king will say to them in reply, 'Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.'
41 17 Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,
43 a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.'
44 18 Then they will answer and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?'
45 He will answer them, 'Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.'
46 And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
You must do good works.


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St. Luke 12:47

That servant who knew his master's will but did not make preparations nor act in accord with his will shall be beaten severely;
48 and the servant who was ignorant of his master's will but acted in a way deserving of a severe beating shall be beaten only lightly. Much will be required of the person entrusted with much, and still more will be demanded of the person entrusted with more.
If you know the will of the Father, and do not do it, you will be punished.



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2 Corin 11:15
So it is not strange that his ministers also masquerade as ministers of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

We will be judged by our deeds, our works. Preachers who say that all you need is faith and it doesn't matter what sins you do to get to heaven, are lying to you. The want your money.



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St. Matt 10:22
You will be hated by all because of my name, but whoever endures to the end 10 will be saved.

No one will be saved until the end. We must endure to the end, meaning we must do good works and have faith.



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St. Matt 24:13
But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.

We are not saved until the end.



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St. Matt 7:1
1 2 "Stop judging, that you may not be judged.
2 For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which you measure will be measured out to you.
3 Why do you notice the splinter in your brother's eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye?

We will be judged on how we judge others.



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St. John 3:19
9 And this is the verdict, that the light came into the world, but people preferred darkness to light, because their works were evil.
20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come toward the light, so that his works might not be exposed.
21 But whoever lives the truth comes to the light, so that his works may be clearly seen as done in God.

Works are important.



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James 2:14
6 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister has nothing to wear and has no food for the day,
16 and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well," but you do not give them the necessities of the body, what good is it?
17 So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 Indeed someone might say, "You have faith and I have works." Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works.
19 You believe that God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe that and tremble.
20 Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?
22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works.
23 Thus the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called "the friend of God."
24 See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
25 And in the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by a different route?
26 For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

This makes if very clear that faith without works is worthless.



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Eph 2:2
in which you once lived following the age of this world, 4 following the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the disobedient.
3 All of us once lived among them in the desires of our flesh, following the wishes of the flesh and the impulses, and we were by nature children of wrath, like the rest.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of the great love he had for us,
5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, brought us to life with Christ 5 (by grace you have been saved),
6 raised us up with him, and seated us with him in the heavens in Christ Jesus,
7 that in the ages to come he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not from you; it is the gift of God;
9 it is not from works, so no one may boast.
10 For we are his handiwork, created in Christ Jesus for the good works that God has prepared in advance, that we should live in them.

So many people just look at verses 7, 8, & 9.... and take it out of context. When you look at 2-6 AND 10, it puts it into it's proper context.

In verses 2-6, it condemns the bad works.

In verse 9, the focus is so that 'none may boast', as the Pharisees did in the times before Christ.

In verse 10, it tells us the we need to live in "good works".



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God Bless, Love in Christ & the Blessed Ever Virgin Mary
iron monk

[DojoGrant]

Maybe this has already been said...

But isn't it interesting that it was through fruit that Eve brought sin to the world, and it was through the fruit of the womb that Mary brought salvation to the world?

[Livin_the_MASS]

The Blessed Virgin Mary: Her Privileges and Relation to Christ and His Church
by Father William G. Most

[b]Cooperation in the Redemption[/b]

One of the oldest teachings of the Church is that Mary is the New Eve. Just as the first Eve really contributed to the disaster of original sin, so Mary the New Eve really contributed to removing it, that is, to redeeming us. She was Mother of the Redeemer precisely insofar as He is our Redeemer. Every Pope since Leo XIII, and Vatican II, in seventeen documents have said that her role in redeeming us extends even to a part in the great sacrifice of Calvary itself! It is a general principle, that if something is taught repeatedly by the Church, even on a level less than a definition, the teaching is infallible.

Vatican II, echoing earlier papal teaching, tells us that at the cross she was asked even to "consent" to the death of her Son (LG # 58). Pope John Paul II, in his Encyclical, The Mother of the Redeemer, set out to further deepen that teaching (as he tells us in his Guardian of the Redeemer [on St. Joseph]). [b]He showed that this was the "deepest self-emptying in history" for her and her Son. In in it, Mary practiced "the obedience of faith". Now since all perfection lies in positively willing what God wills whenever we know His positive will, [u]it is clear that Mary was called on to positively will that her Son die, die then, die so horribly. She had to will this in spite of a love for her Son so great that "only God can comprehend it"--for Pius IX had said, as we saw above that her holiness was that great even at the start. But holiness and love of God are interchangeable words. So in willing the death of her Divine Son, it is clear that her suffering was such that "no one but God could comprehend it."[/b][/u]

God Bless
Jason

[the lumberjack]

I'm sorry...I must be more ignorant that I thought.

where in the Bible does is Mary called the last Eve?

and did you guys say that we needed NO alliance to Mary in order to be saved?

because though I am reverent and call her blessed, she has no place in my salvation...

just wondering.

God bless.

now, if we can just get past the multiple "holy heads...(of dead people I mean)" and the "official" house of Mary, whereever it is this year, whichever one it is this week...I just MIGHT reconcile by the time I'm 93 and 5/7!

love.

[IcePrincessKRS]

I wouldn't say "no place"---if she hadn't said yes where would your salvation be?

[the lumberjack]

with another woman who would've said yes.

luv ya, babe.

God bless.

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote name='the lumberjack' date='Apr 30 2004, 03:54 PM']I'm sorry...I must be more ignorant that I thought.

where in the Bible does is Mary called the last Eve?

and did you guys say that we needed NO alliance to Mary in order to be saved?

because though I am reverent and call her blessed, she has no place in my salvation...

just wondering.

God bless.

now, if we can just get past the multiple "holy heads...(of dead people I mean)" and the "official" house of Mary, whereever it is this year, whichever one it is this week...I just MIGHT reconcile by the time I'm 93 and 5/7!

love.[/quote]
Dr. Scott Hahn Hail Holy Queen

[b]"God's Plan Of Salvation Immaculately Conceived"[/b]

"The immaculate conception is the doctrine that God preserved Mary free from all stain of orginal sin. From the first moment of her conception in the womb of her mother, then, she lived in a state of sanctifying grace won for her by the merits of her son, Jesus. Thus the angel's greeting to Mary, "Hail, full of grace," was uttered years before Jesus won grace for mankind. Yet Mary was, even then, "full of grace."

"Cardinal John Henry Newman taught that the immaculate conception was an important corollary to Mary's role as the New Eve. He asked: "If Eve was raised above human nature by that indwelling moral gift which we call grace, is it rash to say that Mary had even a greater grace?... And if Eve had this supernatural inward gift given her from the first moment of her personal existence, is it possible to deny that Mary too had this gift from the very first moment of her personal existence?"

Newman also found it fitting for Christ to be born of a sinless mother.....

[i]" Mary was no mere instrument in God's dispensation. The Word of God.....did not merely pass through her, as He may pass through us in Holy Communion. It was no heavenly body which the Eternal Son assumed.....No, He imbibed, He sucked up her blood and her substance into His Divine Person. He became man from her, and recieved her lineaments and her features as the appearance and character under which He should manifest Himself to the world. He was known, doubtless, by His likeness to her, to be her Son... Was it not fitting....that the Eternal Father should prepare her for this ministration by some preeminent sanctification?"[/i]

God Bless
Jason

[CreepyCrawler]

[quote name='the lumberjack' date='Apr 30 2004, 03:08 PM'] with another woman who would've said yes.

luv ya, babe.

God bless. [/quote]
but only a perfect woman without original sin could have done it. i believe mary is the only one who fits the bill. so... no mary, no jesus, no salvation. you're jewish!

[Brother Adam]

[quote]hehe. Yeah, i can understand why Catholics call Mary their mother but what I REALLY want to know is...

What's Mary got to do with my Salvation?? I mean yeah, she gave birth to Jesus... but that's IT. I now have Jesus. What's her role for our Salvation?

Would like hear from Bro. Adam though[/quote]

You wanna hear from me? shucks. Do I know you?

Catholics believe Mary plays a part in salvic history. She isn't our "savior" or "co-savior" like people so often think Catholics say.

Mary obeyed God's will

What's Mary got do to with your salvation? Well, the question is what do you really want to know? Can you have no devotion to Mary and end up in heaven?....yeah...but my question would be, why would you NOT want to be devoted to Mary?

[Sammy Blaze]

[quote]with another woman who would've said yes. 

luv ya, babe. 

God bless. [/quote]


Well I wouldn't presume to know what God would have done, but that's your cup of tea. I do know Mary said yes and her nuturing, motherly love to Jesus is also given to us since we are also Children of God....

Is a devotion to Mary necessary for Salvation? I'd say no...
If you don't want to, don't.

I'll just say I'm open to recieving a beautiful gift, given to us from Jesus at his crucifixion
my momma to loves me, and I obey my parents as commanded by my Heavenly Father

One Bible-believing Christian to another,

Pax Christi
~S.

[Katholikos]

[quote name='narnia' date='Apr 30 2004, 12:26 PM']To make it simpler:

"Can we enter heaven without the devotion to Mary?"[/quote]
Hello, Narnia

The answer is emphatically YES.

All people are called to belong to the Catholic Church -- the New Israel -- the new People of God under the new Covenant in Christ's blood (Romans 11:46, James 1:1, Galatians 6:16, Luke 22:20). But it is [i]possible[/i] for Hindus, Muslims, and any others "who don't know Christ or his Church through no fault of their own, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience -- those, too may achieve eternal salvation." Reference: Catechism of the Catholic Church, Paragraphs 831, 847.

And consider this: If your mother and father had not birthed you, you wouldn't be here to need a savior, now would you? And your parents are dependent on your grandparents for their lives, and so on back in history all the way to Adam and Eve. One broken link in that chain and you would not exist.

And Jesus would not have been born had Mary not given birth to Him. He took his human nature from his mother. Without her, there would have been no Christ as we know him. He is bone of her bone, flesh of her flesh, DNA of her DNA. And the Word became Flesh and dwelt among us -- and He was nourished in infancy at His mother's breast.

Have you seen The Passion of The Christ? The intimacy between Jesus and Mary is brilliantly and movingly shown.

Ave Cor Mariae, Likos

[Crusader_4]

Another interesting thing someone suggested to me once and when you stop and think about it its rather interesting. Its not nesscarily true but it does make you think and there is an argument for it the whole point of God choosing Israel and the nation was to produce this one women Mary to whom our saviour would b born.