It Appears Herman Cain

[Jesus_lol]

oh and aside from the fact that Herman Cain's tax plan is the exact same as the one in sim city, accountants are saying that it will very heavily increase the over all tax rate on the middle and lower class (under 100k).

the dude is a political albatross for the conservatives, just like Sarah Palin was.

[BG45]

Sim City tax plans are a step up from Civilization taxes on Chieftan. I can run the world's largest military and continue to build it without worrying about my debts because once I run out of gold, the computer doesn't make me lose anything.

Edit: Then again I don't want to give any candidates ideas. After all, my last resort strategy in Civilization is usualy to build tundra colonies and nuke the world enough to flood it via global warming and then I have the only surviving industry to pump out troops to take the flooded cities where 9/10 of the world population has just been eliminated via famine. No...my Catholic morality doesn't exist in the Civ world...

Edited October 17, 2011 by BG45

[Winchester]

[quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1318704873' post='2321665']
Your stance confuses me. Ron Paul wants to implement the Fair Tax, which is a national sales tax. Herman Cain's 9-9-9 plan is a phased approach to the Fair Tax (if you read his plan, 9-9-9 is "phase 1" and the Fair Tax is "phase 2").

So your reason for not liking Herman Cain should automatically make you not like Ron Paul, so I don't get it.
[/quote]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iJvtQpyx1A&feature=player_embedded

[Aloysius]

5:20 for Shiff's criticism of the 9-9-9 plan there is a "fourth 9"--9% payroll tax, that's going to actually be the thing that hikes lower income taxes.

either way I hate how nobody bothers to question whether the 9-9-9 plan is constitutional, whether national sales tax is constitutional at all.

[kamiller42]

I like Cain's personality, his ability to communicate, his focus on solutions rather than campaign noise, the simplicity of his plans, and the irritation he causes racist leftists.

What I don't like are the assumptions in his plans, the gaps in understanding current events, and his preference for Romney over Perry (Really, Cain?).

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1318824192' post='2322520']
the dude is a political albatross for the conservatives, just like Sarah Palin was.
[/quote]
The democrat party is an albatross on this nation, just like the communists were on Russia.

[kamiller42]

[quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1318861107' post='2322652']
5:20 for Shiff's criticism of the 9-9-9 plan there is a "fourth 9"--9% payroll tax, that's going to actually be the thing that hikes lower income taxes.

either way I hate how nobody bothers to question whether the 9-9-9 plan is constitutional, whether national sales tax is constitutional at all.
[/quote]
Cain addresses many of the complaints of 999 in an article published today by him.

"[url="http://www.northstarwriters.com/2011/10/16/9-responses-to-9-false-attacks-on-the-9-9-9-plan/"]9 responses to 9 false attacks on the 9-9-9 plan[/url]"

I still don't believe in 999, but good to see he's answering the critics.

[dUSt]

[quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1318755310' post='2321986']


so no, Ron Paul does not support a National Sales Tax, though he would support abolishing income tax.
[/quote]
OK, then what taxes would we pay under Ron Paul?

[dUSt]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1318851295' post='2322590']

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I don't think that Schiff guy knows what he's talking about. He said that the 9% corporate tax equals a 9% payroll tax, because his logic is that if the corporation didn't have to pay the 9% corporate tax, that entire 9% would go directly to the employees. I don't know what corporations he's talking about but that seems to be a huge assumption on his part.

[Jaime]

[quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1318861107' post='2322652']
5:20 for Shiff's criticism of the 9-9-9 plan there is a "fourth 9"--9% payroll tax, that's going to actually be the thing that hikes lower income taxes.

either way I hate how nobody bothers to question whether the 9-9-9 plan is constitutional, whether national sales tax is constitutional at all.
[/quote]

Cain said on Meet the Press that there would be no payroll taxes with his plan

[dUSt]

I think Winchester is a mouthpiece for the man.

[Aloysius]

haha, well I know of Peter Shiff as a good economist, so I just took his word for it about the hidden fourth 9. that's good if it's not true.

under a President Ron Paul we'd probably be paying the same taxes as under a President Herman Cain, income taxes, because these pie-in-the-sky overhauls will never pass, at least not "just because we elected a president that proposed them". that's not to say we shouldn't fight for them, and I appreciate Cain's argument against the attitude that dismisses an idea because it won't work. But Ron Paul's immediate plans would call for massive spending cuts and massive tax cuts, something that is more practical. you can't reign in the beast all at once, you have to do it step by step, especially because the Federal Government has made certain promises to people and they should fulfill such obligations (ie Social Security). He's said that we have to do it step by step so that we're not hurting the people that have come to rely on such things, so that we can start returning the decision as to whether such programs would exist back to the states, letting states run any such programs (so you might have a local state Social Security system, or you might not, depending upon who you elect to your state government).

as to what he'd do to overhaul the system, I believe from what I've heard him say he'd like to repeal the 16th amendment, and have the Federal Government funded by Tariffs and by the states. under Ron Paul's ideal system, individual citizens would pay NO federal taxes, only state and local taxes. and if any state was taxing too high, then you're free to move to a different state. each state would have a certain responsibility towards funding the Federal Government (though a smaller Federal Government would require much less funding than there is now), so you'd see some increase in state taxes, but that'd be the only taxes you'd be paying.

after Ron Paul somehow miraculously accomplished that and returned our country to its constitutional principals, you're free to try to get Herman Cain to run for governor of Texas where he would have full power to implement a 9-9-9 plan.

[Aloysius]

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/ron-paul-plan-to-restore-america/

"To stand with the American People, President Paul will take a salary of $39,336, approximately equal to the median personal income of the American worker. "

let's hear a pledge like that from every other candidate!! that's of course not too much of a cut, but it'd be hugely symbolic!

[Papist]

Whoever gets the bid, needs to unload both barrels on Obama and fussy poot around key issues.

[Adrestia]

[quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1318697523' post='2321618']
Seriously, why do you people not like Cain? His 9-9-9 plan was just endorsed by Reagan's economic adviser.[/quote]
That's a [b]bad[/b] thing. Reagan oversaw the largest increase in national debt. Remember that ceiling thing that serves no purpose?


[quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1318697523' post='2321618']He's staunchly pro-life, saying that life begins at conception. He comes off as very real, not fake or phony like all the other candidates.
[/quote]I agree with this part.

[Adrestia]

p.s. I find it amusing that Rick Perry's stock dropped as soon as the rest of the country heard him speak. Whew!