It Appears Herman Cain

[Papist]

Cain for President.....I hope he is able. [img]http://www.pic4ever.com/images/gigglesmile.gif[/img]

[dUSt]

Cain is able.

[Winchester]

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Cain is able.
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to destroy the economy and further empower the government.

[dUSt]

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to destroy the economy and further empower the government.
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You have no proof.

[MIKolbe]

cain is a no go....

[dUSt]

Seriously, why do you people not like Cain? His 9-9-9 plan was just endorsed by Reagan's economic adviser. He's staunchly pro-life, saying that life begins at conception. He comes off as very real, not fake or phony like all the other candidates.

[arfink]

I'd vote for him. He's a kewl dude. But I fear he's got a chance of survival close to that of an ice cube approaching the sun. He'll be about 92 million miles away when he melts.

[Mercy me]

I like Herman Cain. The more I look at him the more I like him. He is a business man who has a long record of turning around troubled businesses. This country needs a turn around. One of the other things that I love about him is his optimism. He also seems to have humility which I think is a characteristic that can't be overstated in someone in high office.

[Aloysius]

his 9-9-9 plan is unconstitutional. the sixteenth amendment permits the Federal Government to levy personal income tax. we would need to have another constitutional amendment to permit the Federal Government to have a national sales tax... and you KNOW once the government has that power it's not going to stay at 9 forever.

I just wish we had a candidate who would pledge to limit himself to the constitutional limits on the Federal Government. oh wait, there is one, but no one likes him cause they like to run around the world with our military trying to solve everyone else's problems (and causing tons of more problems and civilian death in the process)...

Ron Paul FTW!

anyway, I don't hate on Herman Cain... but I definitely wouldn't vote for him. I think he'd be ineffective as a pro-life president, though he'd turn it around from Obama he wouldn't go the extra mile to do what is necessary to bash the Federal power that forbade states from making abortion illegal, and I think his economic policies are unconstitutional and will not work.

I also don't think he'll get the nomination... percentage wise he's in the ballpark with Ron Paul with Romney way ahead, unless we see a dramatic change for the better before the primaries, the Republicans are going to be stuck with Romney.

[Aloysius]

oh and he thinks we should all just trust the Federal Reserve, no audit necessary

[Lil Red]

Ugh Romney. Fyi, my phone wants to turn Romney to 'donkey' and I don't think it is much off the mark

[Mercy me]

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his 9-9-9 plan is unconstitutional. the sixteenth amendment permits the Federal Government to levy personal income tax. we would need to have another constitutional amendment to permit the Federal Government to have a national sales tax... and you KNOW once the government has that power it's not going to stay at 9 forever.

I just wish we had a candidate who would pledge to limit himself to the constitutional limits on the Federal Government. oh wait, there is one, but no one likes him cause they like to run around the world with our military trying to solve everyone else's problems (and causing tons of more problems and civilian death in the process)...

anyway, I don't hate on Herman Cain... but I definitely wouldn't vote for him. I think he'd be ineffective as a pro-life president, though he'd turn it around from Obama he wouldn't go the extra mile to do what is necessary to bash the Federal power that forbade states from making abortion illegal, and I think his economic policies are unconstitutional and will not work.

I also don't think he'll get the nomination... percentage wise he's in the ballpark with Ron Paul with Romney way ahead, unless we see a dramatic change for the better before the primaries, the Republicans are going to be stuck with Romney.
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I too don't like the sales tax idea. Bachman called the idea naive and I agree with her. I don not think that he would get it. I am glad that the 16th amendment is there. What I like is that he more than open to tossing the whole tax code and replacing it with something simpler and hopefully less open to corruption.

As to his pro-life stance, I do not question it. He is firm there. To compare him to Obama who defended the killing of aborted babies who survived abortion as one of the few stands that he took in the state legislature is grossly unfair.

I don't know if he can get the nomination. FYI, Cain is leading in some national polls. I think that the republicans are looking for someone who is left-wing and they don't seem to think that Romney is. I like what I have seen from Cain.

[dUSt]

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his 9-9-9 plan is unconstitutional. the sixteenth amendment permits the Federal Government to levy personal income tax. we would need to have another constitutional amendment to permit the Federal Government to have a national sales tax... and you KNOW once the government has that power it's not going to stay at 9 forever.

I just wish we had a candidate who would pledge to limit himself to the constitutional limits on the Federal Government. oh wait, there is one, but no one likes him cause they like to run around the world with our military trying to solve everyone else's problems (and causing tons of more problems and civilian death in the process)...

Ron Paul FTW!

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Your stance confuses me. Ron Paul wants to implement the Fair Tax, which is a national sales tax. Herman Cain's 9-9-9 plan is a phased approach to the Fair Tax (if you read his plan, 9-9-9 is "phase 1" and the Fair Tax is "phase 2").

So your reason for not liking Herman Cain should automatically make you not like Ron Paul, so I don't get it.

[Aloysius]

Ron Paul refuses to co-sponser the Fair Tax bill, but has said that if it did come up he would [i]probably [/i]vote for it. That's hardly an endorsement of a national sales tax, the Fair Tax bill calls for the 16th ammendment to be repealed, so it could be a step in the right direction. However, as Ron Paul has said, he fears that any national sales tax would inevitably include BOTH the sales and income tax eventually. He would like to go back to the way government was funded PRIOR to the introduction of the Federal Income Tax. which means NO sales or income tax.

so no, Ron Paul does not support a National Sales Tax, though he would support abolishing income tax.

[Aloysius]

Mercy, I don't doubt his pro-life stance at all, I just doubt he'd be effective because he lacks the idealogical constitutional framework that would be necessary to really make the fight against abortion possible in this country. maybe I'm wrong, though, I just get the sense that without a radical constitutionalist arguing from the standpoint of the framework of the Country itself, we're never going to see anything more than Bush's meager progress against the worst forms of abortion, while the standard everyday abortions are never effectively fought against by law. de-centralize the Federal power and the pro-life movement becomes very powerful. I imagine a world where most states begin to illegalize abortions because of local pro-life movement lobbying and impose fines on places like planned parenthood, cutting their funding by decreasing their business and cutting their finances by fines, and a federal government that no longer gives them any funding, so that in the few states where they can still operate they increasingly whither and die until those states finally see the light of illegalizing it as well. that's the battle I think needs to happen, and it can only happen with a true basher of federal power, not a new Newt Gingrich generation that's going to go to Washington talking about bashing federal power but end up selling out (which I think Cain would end up being a part of, in my humble estimation)

I actually DON'T like that the 16th amendment is there and would support repealing it. I do admire Cain's willingness to throw out the entire tax code to try to come up with something more fair, but I don't like that he'd do it while ignoring the Constitution and I don't like that he seems to think a sales tax will somehow save us from bad taxation, when it would actually make us more vulnerable to potentially even worse taxation IMO.

Edited October 16, 2011 by Aloysius