Seatbelt Blue Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Sick of Bush? Just as Sick of Kerry? There IS an Alternative: [url="http://www.grassrootsrevolution.tk"]http://www.grassrootsrevolution.tk[/url] Basically, if you live in a state that's guaranteed to vote a certain way, vote for dean. IE: The Universe would implode if Virginia did not vote republican, or New York democratic. Since it's unlikely that a few votes are going to make a difference there, why not vote for Dean as a write in? If he gets just 5% of the popular vote he'll qualify for federal matching funds in 2008, guaranteeing him campaign funds in that election. This is basically what a friend and I came up with after a long political discussion, when we compared notes and realized most of the people we know are going to vote for Kerry, not because they like Kerry but because they want Bush out of office. This is not the way American politics should work. This is not the way it HAS to work. We don't need to be stuck choosing the lesser of two evils. If we put some hard work into it, we can get a candidate into office that actually has a chance of doing some positive good for this country. It'll take time, but it's about time we sent a message to the major parties: we're sick of this, and we want the system to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeenaBobba Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Howard Dean? No way, dude. He's [i]way[/i] too far left for me. But the main reason why I [b]refuse[/b] to vote for him is because he is a staunch abortion "rights" supporter. As a matter of fact, I think he has strong ties to Planned Parenthood. I think he sat on their board at one point, too. He also supports gay "marriage." Howard Dean isn't getting my vote. He shouldn't get one Catholic vote. Ain't that the truth! Take care, Jen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurkeFan Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 (edited) Howard Dean is probably not only as bad but probably worse than John Kerry. He is not a viable alternative in any way, shape or form. He is a much greater evil than the already great evil of Kerry. And, as for Bush compared to Kerry, my vote is going to Bush if for no other reason than he supports the most fundamental right (there are others, but none as important). Call me a single issue voter, but, what good are any other temporal goods when a significant portion of people aren't [i]even allowed to be born.[/i] In Christ, Dave Edited April 30, 2004 by BurkeFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeenaBobba Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 (edited) [quote name='BurkeFan' date='Apr 30 2004, 04:54 AM'] Howard Dean is probably not only as bad but probably worse than John Kerry. He is not a viable alternative in any way, shape or form. He is a much greater evil than the already great evil of Kerry. And, as for Bush compared to Kerry, my vote is going to Bush if for no other reason than he supports the most fundamental right (there are others, but none as important). Call me a single issue voter, but, what good are any other temporal goods when a significant portion of people aren't [i]even allowed to be born.[/i] In Christ, Dave [/quote] Amen to that! Abortion is a very important issue to me because it is an issue of life and death. Had I lived in Nazi Germany, I wouldn't have voted for Hitler (if they voted in Nazi Germany) even if he promised a nice economy and all that. Society is sick if it kills its own children. I don't want any of that blood on my hands. Anyone who votes for Dean or Kerry might as well send Planned Parenthood a check in the mail. :angry: God bless, Jennifer Edited April 30, 2004 by BeenaBobba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krush2k2 Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 "We don't need to be stuck choosing the lesser of two evils" -Seatbelt Blue Whoa, in what ways to you see Bush in any way EVIL? He's a man of faith-and in my opinion a strong one at that. He has his faults, as all of us do, but calling him evil? where do u get that from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annie Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Where is Alan Keyes when we need him!?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreepyCrawler Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 yeah but remember what happened with nader and gore. lots of democrats voted for nader and lost gore the election (thank goodness!). if people vote for someone besides bush, who knows? collectively we might just end up with a baby-killer hypocrite (aka kerry) in office. i'm voting for bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XIX Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 I think Dubya is a bit sketchy. I don't like his views on the environment or the death penalty. But a kajillion times better than Kerry. At least Bush is pro life, but he still endorsed the pro choie Specter. blahhhh I can't stand politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seatbelt Blue Posted April 30, 2004 Author Share Posted April 30, 2004 I don't vote abortion because the President _does not have the power to change it_. Never has. Never will. I'm a staunch pro-lifer, and I, for a long time, refused to support Dean. But I have come, very reluctantly, to this side, and I honestly feel Dean is the best for this country. To answer an earlier question, I don't think Bush is evil, nor do I think Kerry is evil. "Lesser of two evils" is a phrase implying two unpleasant choices. My biggest problem with Bush is that _his cabinet is nuts_. A vote for Bush is a vote for Ashcroft. Bush is also a _very_ divisive figure, and there are simply too many unanswered questions about Iraq. Now, I'm of the opinion that he had bad intelligence, and I still hope Bush wins reelection in November. Remember, this campaign of mine, which is finding a lot of support in the short time it's existed, is not geared to have Dean _win_ in November, but rather, to send a very message to Washington, and to help foster American populism. Howard Dean, I am convinced, is our generation's Theodore Roosevelt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seatbelt Blue Posted April 30, 2004 Author Share Posted April 30, 2004 [quote name='BeenaBobba' date='Apr 30 2004, 03:07 AM'] Howard Dean? No way, dude. He's [i]way[/i] too far left for me. But the main reason why I [b]refuse[/b] to vote for him is because he is a staunch abortion "rights" supporter. As a matter of fact, I think he has strong ties to Planned Parenthood. I think he sat on their board at one point, too. He also supports gay "marriage." Howard Dean isn't getting my vote. He shouldn't get one Catholic vote. Ain't that the truth! Take care, Jen [/quote] As for Dean's stance on gay marriage, his stance is the Constitutional stance - leave it to the states. The Federal government has _no right_ to legislate on marriage _period_. Marriage has always been one of those issues where the states have sovereignty. It's not Washington's concern. Leave it to Richmond, Albany, Lansing, Sacramento, Des Moines, Boise, and Montpelier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 You're going to throw away your vote on a 3rd (or 4th) canadite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurkeFan Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 [quote name='Seatbelt Blue' date='Apr 30 2004, 09:17 AM'] I don't vote abortion because the President _does not have the power to change it_. Never has. Never will. [/quote] Well... you're right, unless of course signing legislation and court appointments do nothing. Clinton vetoed partial birth abortion legislation numerous times. Bush signed it into law. Is that nothing? Bush appointed pro-life justices to courts. Clinton appointed justices that are staunchly pro-abortion. Is that nothing? Bush halted paying for overseas baby-killi... er, I mean "family planning" programs that use abortion. Democrats criticized him heavily for that. Is that nothing? In short, if the president can't do anything, why do NARAL and Planned Parenthood hate Bush so much while they just [i]love[/i] John Kerry? In Christ, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurkeFan Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 [quote name='Seatbelt Blue' date='Apr 30 2004, 09:20 AM'] As for Dean's stance on gay marriage, his stance is the Constitutional stance - leave it to the states. The Federal government has _no right_ to legislate on marriage _period_. Marriage has always been one of those issues where the states have sovereignty. It's not Washington's concern. Leave it to Richmond, Albany, Lansing, Sacramento, Des Moines, Boise, and Montpelier. [/quote] The federal government would only have 'no right' to legislate on gay "marriage" if gay "marriage" was all hunky-dory and could even exist. It can't. It's metaphysically impossible. It's not marriage. The only effect that gay "marriage" can have upon our society is to further normalize homosexuality. I think that very much so makes it Washington's concern. In Christ, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seatbelt Blue Posted April 30, 2004 Author Share Posted April 30, 2004 [quote name='Paladin D' date='Apr 30 2004, 10:21 AM'] You're going to throw away your vote on a 3rd (or 4th) canadite? [/quote] I live in Virginia. Virginia always goes Republican. We haven't gone Democrat since Lyndon Johnson in 1964. This is reality. I'm voting for Dean as a protest vote, and I hope that I can get enough people to make a significant dent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 If you really want to support a grassroots campaign because you don't like Bush or Kerry, and want to support a candidate who is morally fit for a Catholic vote, then vote for Joe Schriner. He has Catholic values and genuinely works for change. Not just social justice but life for all as well. [url="http://www.voteforjoe.com"]http://www.voteforjoe.com[/url] I'm voting for either him or Bush. Depends on how close the race will be in my state. All I know is that voting pro-choice is unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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