Nihil Obstat Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 [quote name='LaPetiteSoeur' timestamp='1322367616' post='2341059'] *LPS sneaks in* I'm here only for a sec to say that the movie [i]Amazing Grace[/i] does a very good job discussing the British and Irish end of the slave trade. Everyone should see it. *LPS sneaks out* [/quote] I would be interested in seeing that. What's the general plot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 [quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1322352971' post='2340903'] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SwKxUz7osM[/media] [/quote] That dude is Indonesian or Indian or something. How is college not free for him already? (Answer: must be he's dumb as a brick) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1322370331' post='2341089'] That dude is Indonesian or Indian or something. How is college not free for him already? (Answer: must be he's dumb as a brick) [/quote] He's probably in femino-Marxist anthro art history dance studies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaPetiteSoeur Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1322370141' post='2341085'] I would be interested in seeing that. What's the general plot? [/quote] It is about Wilber Wilberforce, the British politician who made it his life's work to end the slave trade in Great Britain. He was inspired by John Newton, the author of [i]Amazing Grace[/i] and his childhood preacher. There are tons of very well-known actors and actresses in it. It is based on a true story and is phenominally done. I tend to watch a few times a year, just to remind myself how hard it was to end such an abominable trade. I also cry throughout most of the film. Here's the trailer, if I can finally figure out how to embed it. Since I can't figure out how to embed it, here's the link. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6Cv5P9H9qU[/media] Oh hey! It embeded itself. Sneaky phorum. Edited November 27, 2011 by LaPetiteSoeur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 (edited) [quote name='LaPetiteSoeur' timestamp='1322371362' post='2341101'] It is about Wilber Wilberforce, the British politician who made it his life's work to end the slave trade in Great Britain. He was inspired by John Newton, the author of [i]Amazing Grace[/i] and his childhood preacher. There are tons of very well-known actors and actresses in it. It is based on a true story and is phenominally done. I tend to watch a few times a year, just to remind myself how hard it was to end such an abominable trade. I also cry throughout most of the film. Here's the trailer, if I can finally figure out how to embed it. Since I can't figure out how to embed it, here's the link. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6Cv5P9H9qU[/media] Oh hey! It embeded itself. Sneaky phorum. [/quote] Very coo[color=#000000]l[/color]. Edited November 27, 2011 by Nihil Obstat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1322318576' post='2340733'] Explain the workings of the Federal Reserve.[/quote] The federal reserve stabilizes the market. Established in the year 1913 for said reason. As far as can see the FR is benificial to rich and poor alike. Liike I stated earlier, I have been blessed with the ability to marry and procreate and I may not have money in the bank, I do have the richness of being a father and knowing the joys of work/ earning a living and self worth I live on the low end of the 99%, and proud of it. All that glitters is not gold! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 [quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1322268406' post='2340490'] one of the founding principles of the OWS protests was against corporate money buying political power, that simply being wealthy gave you exponentially more influence on the government than the average person, often through illegal means. Another was addressing how the rich are not held accountable for their crimes in the same manner as everyone else, if at all. When a "commoner" steals, it is a bit from a few people, and earns him a roughing up by police and decades doing hard jail time. When a CEO steals, it is millions of dollars from thousands of people, and if he gets any attention at all, it is a polite walk to a minimum security prison for a few months. addressing either of these concerns could not possibly be construed as being "entitled" or wanting handouts. those are real issues of institutionalized inequality. [/quote] "The Rich" don't commit crimes. Specific persons commit crimes. Again, if you have evidence of specific crimes by specific persons then press charges and have them prosecuted. Of course, that will require gathering evidence, building a case, hiring attorneys, etc., which of course is a lot more work and a lot less fun than hard-partying in public parks. Vague, sweeping, unsubstantiated accusations against nameless, faceless collectives are legally worthless and will accomplish nothing. To my knowledge, all those days of wild partying in the park and brawling with cops hasn't put away one single rich crook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 [quote name='add' timestamp='1322431705' post='2341266'] The federal reserve stabilizes the market. Established in the year 1913 for said reason. As far as can see the FR is benificial to rich and poor alike. [/quote] [u][i][b][size=8][font=verdana,geneva,sans-serif]LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL[/font][/size][/b][/i][/u] [u][i][b][size=8][font=verdana,geneva,sans-serif][img]http://edge.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/1022869/81496052.gif[/img][/font][/size][/b][/i][/u] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 [quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1322444485' post='2341372'] "The Rich" don't commit crimes. Specific persons commit crimes. Again, if you have evidence of specific crimes by specific persons then press charges and have them prosecuted. Of course, that will require gathering evidence, building a case, hiring attorneys, etc., which of course is a lot more work and a lot less fun than hard-partying in public parks. Vague, sweeping, unsubstantiated accusations against nameless, faceless collectives are legally worthless and will accomplish nothing. To my knowledge, all those days of wild partying in the park and brawling with cops hasn't put away one single rich crook. [/quote] i think i need to adjust my sights down a bit... did i ever say that it was just about "the rich" committing crimes? nope. people from all walks of life commit crimes, and no one i know of is protesting about that. The real concern is the different way in which those criminals are treated, according to their wealth and social stature. The crime of theft for instance is not evenly prosecuted or punished in this regard. That, there is a problem, a problem of the structuring of our society, laws, policing, etc. i would be interested if you could try and disprove that. campaign contributions leading to kickbacks also mean that a rich man's vote means much much more than a poor man's vote, and that is just wrong. you may disagree with their methods, or their effectiveness(things i would likely agree on), but you arent going to get far with the argument that their concerns are all invalid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 [quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1322461961' post='2341521'] i think i need to adjust my sights down a bit... did i ever say that it was just about "the rich" committing crimes? nope. people from all walks of life commit crimes, and no one i know of is protesting about that. The real concern is the different way in which those criminals are treated, according to their wealth and social stature. The crime of theft for instance is not evenly prosecuted or punished in this regard. That, there is a problem, a problem of the structuring of our society, laws, policing, etc. i would be interested if you could try and disprove that.[/quote] I'm under no obligation to disprove assertions given without evidence. If you're going to make accusations, the burden of proof is on you to prove them correct. Logic 101. I'm afraid it's the proposed "restructuring" of laws and such that I have a problem with. [quote]campaign contributions leading to kickbacks also mean that a rich man's vote means much much more than a poor man's vote, and that is just wrong.[/quote] Every campaign needs contributions in order to continue, unless the candidate himself has vast stores of his own wealth. The problem with laws controlling campaign contributions is that in practice they would only grant more power to those currently in government power. Abuse of such laws is not a possibility, but a certainty, and that's true whatever party is in power. It's the fox guarding the henhouse. The federal government should not dictate how private citizens spend their own money. If you want to go after politicians giving kickbacks, fine, but that would include going after Obama, who's certainly granted his share of corporate bail-outs. Putting crooked politicians in charge of cleaning up corruption is a bad joke. [quote]you may disagree with their methods, or their effectiveness(things i would likely agree on), but you arent going to get far with the argument that their concerns are all invalid.[/quote] The ends don't justify the means. (That's presuming there are any clearly defined ends which I could support, and thus far there are not.) The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1322353182' post='2340904'] What's with the 1970's nostalgia here? In one other thread we were discussing 70's liturgical music, now we are discussing 70's economics. [/quote] If only such nonsense ended in the 70's! (I'm talking the economics here in this particular case.) Unfortunately it's fervently believed in by those currently in charge of monetary policy. Edited November 28, 2011 by Socrates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 [size=4]What a contrast, you have consumers clamoring to buy stuff, almost in frenzy this past Black-Friday weekend, and at the same time OWS[/size][size=4] kids complaining how tough they (99%) have it.[/size] [size=4]According to [/size][size=4]a report by ShopperTrak, , according to which gathers data from 25,000 outlets across the country. Black Friday sales were $11.4 billion, up 7 percent, or nearly $1 billion from the same day last year[/size] [size=4]What is really funny is how the OWS protest appears to be just one continuous big party with lots of sex and drugs and rock and roll. [/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Interesting article I saw: [url="http://frontpagemag.com/2011/10/17/wall-street-occupiers-urged-to-target-churches/"]http://frontpagemag.com/2011/10/17/wall-street-occupiers-urged-to-target-churches/[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 [quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1322542242' post='2342037'] Interesting article I saw: [url="http://frontpagemag.com/2011/10/17/wall-street-occupiers-urged-to-target-churches/"]http://frontpagemag....arget-churches/[/url] [/quote] [quote]Ecumenically, Schaeffer also tars Roman Catholics as likewise “fundamentalists” who have “delegitimized the US Government and thus undercut its ability to tax, spend and regulate.”[/quote] Oh the horror! While it's unfortunate, Schaefer's spiel is nothing new or surprising. Statist socialism has always been the bitter foe of orthodox Christian faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 For those curious, [url="http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2522"]here's a profile of the man who originated the OWS movement, socialist would-be revolutionary Kalle Lasn.[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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