Occupy Wall Street Baloney

[Socrates]

[quote name='Marie-Therese' timestamp='1319742251' post='2327792']

Holy c[acronym=''][/acronym]rap! You mean, THERE'S MIDDLE GROUND???? What kills me is the intellectual disingenuousness displayed by both sides here. People are too busy being "conservative" or "liberal" or whatever that they simply cannot have an honest discussion about an issue because they are afraid their party hat might get a wrinkle in it.

OWS: "DOWN WITH THE MAN!! *bongo played by dreadlocked hippie* CHE GUEVARA!! FREEDOM!!"
Tea Party: "DOWN WITH THE GOVERNMENT!! *snare drum played by white-wigged George Washington lookalike* THOMAS JEFFERSON!! FREEDOM!!"

Guess what, you're all shouting about the same freaking thing. It's called corporatism.

Want things to change? Then an honest, intellectual discussion about the issue in its totality has to be had by both sides and with no thought for political or ideological affiliation. There has to be compromise. And, then, there can be action.

Personal responsibility is wonderful when playing by the rules will always get you the expected outcome (i.e., you won't get screwed by the government). However, due to the corporatist structure of our government, personal responsibility does not guarantee people a fair shot at success. Does that mean that socialist-style intervention is the answer? NOOOOOOOO. What it means is that the loopholes, restrictions and kickbacks that hamstring the individual from that same personal success (which results from personal responsibility) have to be removed. If more people stopped acting like puppets with an elephant or donkey hand up the rear, and started actually TALKING about the issue, then maybe something would get done.

This discussion might be dominated in the media by freaks, but look past that. The argument against corporatism is not evidenced in totality by the OWS people, just as the argument for constitutionality is not evidenced in totality by the Tea Party. Don't let the media sleight of hand fool you. Don't be fooled into thinking that this is an argument between a bunch of people who look like Woodstock attendees and a bunch of people who look like Revolutionary War reenactors. Go deeper. Be honest.
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Yes, most people agree there's a problem, but I don't regard the difference between reducing government power and scope and the OWS "solution" of increasing government power of private enterprise and engaging in class warfare to be an insignificant one, but that's just me.

What exactly is the "middle ground" we must pursue? A bit of reduced taxes combined with a bit of socialist radicalism and forced government redistribution of wealth?

Oh, yeah, and before I'm accused of being blinded by mindless fanatical GOP partisanship, I believe that the Bush administration was also guilty as Obama in creating this mess.


But what the hell? Can't we just get along? Let's all hold hands and sing kumbya, then go smoke a joint and poo on a police car - because that's what really solves things, and it's just so razzle dazzle (maybe while dressed in colonial drag, just to be bi-partisan).

Edited October 28, 2011 by Socrates

[dominicansoul]

[img]http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/7/l/I/4/occupy-costumes.jpg[/img]

Edited October 29, 2011 by dominicansoul

[Adrestia]

[quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1319845060' post='2328371']
Yes, most people agree there's a problem, but I don't regard the difference between reducing government power and scope and the OWS "solution" of increasing government power of private enterprise and engaging in class warfare to be an insignificant one, but that's just me.
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When I read the posts written by Marie-Therese I never got the sense that she was trying to suggest that the difference you point out is insignificant. To me, it read like she was trying to focus on the fact that the problems identifies by each side can have a common solution. IMHO, it would take a great deal of humility for for a Tea Party Patriot to actually listen to an OWS Protester with the goal of finding common ground instead of finding areas to punch holes in their argument (and vice-versa).

[Norseman82]

[quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1319890746' post='2328576']
[img]http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/7/l/I/4/occupy-costumes.jpg[/img]
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And Halloween teaches kids to be liberals:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC15OJvcsD4[/media]

Edited October 29, 2011 by Norseman82

[MIKolbe]

does he take himself seriously?

like srsly, srsly?

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1319784049' post='2328099']


Did you just say that it was that marine's fault that he got shot in the face and then flashbanged and nearly killed while peacefully protesting? because he hangs out with the wrong people? whats next, girl gets raped "oh well, maybe she should wear longer sleeves next time"?? what the hell.

also, NONE of the protesters deserve to be treated the way the police are treating them. NONE. it is starting to look like the videos from the middle east last spring.
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Props to this part of your post.

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1319784049' post='2328099']
Also, next time you see a marine, you should tell them your opinion on what happened to their brother in oakland. i suspect your family will be emptying bank accounts and mortgaging their houses to cover your medical bills.[/quote]

I would give you props for this part of your post if you were responding to anyone other than kamiller (or maximillianus for that matter). Knowing more about your fellow posters can help prevent "foot in mouth" syndrome.

Edited October 29, 2011 by Norseman82

[Jaime]

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[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1319917563' post='2328685']

Props to this part of your post.
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thanks.

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I would give you props for this part of your post if you were responding to anyone other than kamiller (or maximillianus for that matter). Knowing more about your fellow posters can help prevent "foot in mouth" syndrome.
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let me guess, kamiller is a marine? first i would have heard of it. i dont regret what i said.

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1319922216' post='2328710']

thanks.



let me guess, kamiller is a marine? first i would have heard of it. i dont regret what i said.
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If I remember correctly, he posted previously (years ago) that he served in the USMC.

Edited October 29, 2011 by Norseman82

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1319922514' post='2328713']

If I remember correctly, he posted previously (years ago) that he served in the USMC.
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hmm, well even if that is true, i can hardly respond to his character that i dont know about, only the parts of himself he puts online in these discussions. Him being a marine or not doesnt change my opinion on his statements here.

[dominicansoul]

Max is a marine, too, btw...

[vee]

Max is a mermaid?!?!?! what the ..

[dominicansoul]

[Ed Normile]

I seen where jesus_lol said its starting to look like the videos from the middle east last spring? It looks to me like the way most police actions taken against criminals play out, sometimes force has to be used. These people have been breaking laws, that makes them criminals. Whether one likes it or not, when they are told to leave a premises or an area by a dully apponited officer of the law and they choose to ignore the request they are then in violation of the law. These people have stood longer than their permits, those who obtained permits to protest that is. The question of whether its right or wrong the way the police handled this incident is really a moot point, they are doing a job they were tasked to do by their superiors and swore an oath to do. Could it have been done more peacefully, I could not comment on that as I was not there in the heat of the moment, I certainly wish no one would have been hurt but the laws are there to protect the rights of everyone. Its the same when a court orders no protest within a certain distance from an abortion clinic, a much more noble and righteous cause of course, but those who break the law are still subject to the consequences

ed

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1319936718' post='2328756']
Max is a marine, too, btw...
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i missed the part where i said something offensive to all marines?

and i knew that already, thanks.