Will Obama Destroy Franciscan University Of Steubenville?

[Socrates]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1317587652' post='2314065']

I find the constant conservative comments about Obama's vacations and golf a little disengenuous, as the previous conservative president took nearly 3 times as much time off in the same time period
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Source? I've heard otherwise, but I generally find such comparisons irrelevant.

Quite frankly, the more time Obama spends playing golf, and shooting hoops, and whatnot, the better. Maybe he should go pro. The man's absolutely disastrous as a president.


And calling G.W. "conservative" is rather a joke.

Edited October 3, 2011 by Socrates

[missionseeker]

[quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1317649275' post='2314550']


yes, i agree, but after battling with pro-aborts and rabid feminists over abortion for more than 30 years, sometimes the truth helps, especially when showing what abortion really is... for decades they fought us with the "they are only blobs of tissues" argument. Those pictures clearly show that they are not blobs of tissue but human beings... also, with the high tech of today, you can actually see the baby in the womb more than in the decades passed...

like i said, there are more ways to preach to peeps, not just one way...
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BasillisaMarie is NOT pro-abortion, nor is she a radical feminist. She is not saying those are only blobs of tissue, nor is she in denial about the horrors of abortion. So for those pictures to be directed to her is kind of insulting, I would think, because essentially, it does seem to be equating her with that. It definitely would have turned me away from engaging in anymore conversation with you guys if I HAD been arguing about that. Some forms are "preaching" can be very poor taste.

[vee]

I posted those pics not DS. The images speak for themselves, 1000 words each. More words than those people ever had a chance to say before their lives were cut short.

[vee]

I think, when speaking of abortion it helps to keep in mind the reality of what abortion is. Those pics show what we are talking about.

[Socrates]

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1317590064' post='2314080']
Right...I'm only thinking of myself.

Well then, I guess we'll agree that you can keep only thinking about the rights of the unborn, and I'll think about those while also clothing the naked, feeding the hungry, sheltering the homeless and educating the ignorant. All I meant was that even if people think he's the worst president ever, you can't deny that he has done SOME THINGS for this country.
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When a nation is utterly bankrupted (as the current course of federal spending will do), it will not effective in feeding the hungry, sheltering the homeless, etc.

And with all due respect, I seriously doubt you will actually be in imminent danger of dying naked of starvation in a gutter without your government college grants. (Nor will you be utterly ignorant unless you choose to be. You can rent all the great books of western civilization from your library and read them for free, and be better educated than most with advanced degrees.) Things may be a bit tougher for you, but you need to put things in perspective.

Besides, the corporal and spiritual works of mercy are primarily the responsibility of all us as Christians, rather than of government bureaucracies.

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1317591633' post='2314117']
Lol, I'm confused as to what you mean.

I don't know...I guess I just don't like it when people seem to ignore the entirety of Catholic Social Teaching in favor of fighting abortion. I mean, that's all God cares about, right? If God only cares about the unborn, then why should we care about anyone else?
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Perhaps you could enlighten the rest of us as to exactly what items of Catholic teaching those of us who refuse to support Obama and his socialistic schemes are ignoring.

If you are under the unfortunate mistaken impression that Catholic Social Teaching somehow dictates supporting ever-increasing federal spending on various government social programs, you would do well to read this passage from Pope John Paul II's encyclical[i] Centesimus Annus[/i]:
[quote]In recent years the range of such intervention has vastly expanded, to the point of creating a new type of State, the so-called "Welfare State". This has happened in some countries in order to respond better to many needs and demands, by remedying forms of poverty and deprivation unworthy of the human person. However, excesses and abuses, especially in recent years, have provoked very harsh criticisms of the Welfare State, dubbed the "Social Assistance State". Malfunctions and defects in the Social Assistance State are the result of an inadequate understanding of the tasks proper to the State. Here again [i]the principle of subsidiarity [/i]must be respected: a community of a higher order should not interfere in the internal life of a community of a lower order, depriving the latter of its functions, but rather should support it in case of need and help to coordinate its activity with the activities of the rest of society, always with a view to the common good.


By intervening directly and depriving society of its responsibility, the Social Assistance State leads to a loss of human energies and an inordinate increase of public agencies, which are dominated more by bureaucratic ways of thinking than by concern for serving their clients, and which are accompanied by an enormous increase in spending. In fact, it would appear that needs are best understood and satisfied by people who are closest to them and who act as neighbours to those in need.[/quote]

[Socrates]

[quote name='Maggie' timestamp='1317606881' post='2314275']

Your point is taken, however are you aware that invoking Hitler causes you to automatically forfeit any argument you are making on the internet. This is because inevitably, even if you are discussing Browns vs. Steelers or brats vs. weiners, someone will bring up Hitler...eventually. Tis the least useful philosophy trick on the Internet, ever.

ETA: AKA, [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law"]Godwin's Law[/url]
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Hitler was a weiner.

That's why I prefer to bring up Hitler's chief rival in totalitarian evil, Joseph Stalin, instead. He was actually even nastier than Hitler, and sported a much better mustache (as opposed to that pathetic little toothbrush thing old Adolf wore on his upper lip).

[Socrates]

[quote name='vee8' timestamp='1317665611' post='2314690']
I think, when speaking of abortion it helps to keep in mind the reality of what abortion is. Those pics show what we are talking about.
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It's much nicer to sit back in our easy chairs, sip cocktails, an discuss vague, pleasant-sounding abstractions like "the right to choose," "personal autonomy," and "rights to privacy," rather than deal with the ugly facts.

Then, we can slap ourselves on the back for our "reasonableness," and rather than get bogged down in divisiveness, seek the all-important "common ground" - and focus on what we all can agree on, like how we need to support Obama and more federal spending on everything.

[Basilisa Marie]

Socrates, I'm not going to argue with you. I've already stated plenty and tried to re-clarify my position on multiple issues that have been circulating in this thread. I'd rather not contribute more fodder to be misinterpreted unless it's in response to a thoughtful reply.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1317612037' post='2314365']

i only meant to say that it would hurt more if they DIDNT sharpen the pitchforks before they go a-stabbin'


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it's the debate table, reading comprehension not required.

[MissScripture]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1317667102' post='2314706']
it's the debate table, reading comprehension not required.
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I'm pretty sure there is no requirement for reading comprehension anywhere on Phatmass. If there is, I should probably start banning people who lack it.

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='vee8' timestamp='1317665611' post='2314690']
I think, when speaking of abortion it helps to keep in mind the reality of what abortion is. Those pics show what we are talking about.
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I also think it is not so much the culture of death that is killing our nation, but rather the cult of "self-love." Catholics keep voting for rabid pro-abortion politicians because they falsely believe that the politician is for the poor, for the less fortunate, for the betterment of the social needs of the country. Thus, when we push the abortion issue above all other issues, we are accused of not caring for people once they're born. But how can any pro-abort be for the less fortunate? Too many times, all I hear are very selfish reasons to vote for these candidates.

[Deus te Amat]

[quote name='MissScripture' timestamp='1317667290' post='2314708']
I'm pretty sure there is no requirement for reading comprehension anywhere on Phatmass. If there is, I should probably start banning people who lack it.
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I offered a class a class in reading comprehension awhile ago. No one showed up. I don't think they understood my sign.

[Deus te Amat]

"A house divided against itself cannot stand." Mark 3:25, quoted by Abraham Lincoln.

You people are in the same house. You are on the same side. Grow up. [i]EXPLAIN[/i] how your points differ. [i]EXPLAIN[/i] why you think you are right. [i]EXAMINE[/i] Church teaching. REACH an agreement. Move on.

[MIKolbe]

[quote name='Deus_te_Amat' timestamp='1317667878' post='2314713']


I offered a class a class in reading comprehension awhile ago. No one showed up. I don't think they understood my sign.
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they prolly couldn't understand your sign! LOL get it? reading comprehension and they couldn't understand your sign! HA!

[Maggyie]

[quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1317664012' post='2314681']

Regarding abortion issues in politics, you might do well to read what our current Holy Father wrote as prefect of the CDF regarding political support of abortion and worthiness to receive Our Lord in Holy Communion. ([url="http://www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/cdfworthycom.htm"]"Worthiness to Receive Holy Communion: General Principles," Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Prefect, Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith[/url])


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The thing is that is from a fax cover sheet sent to a bunch of bishops. It is not a published part of Catholic teaching. It's basically the head of the CDF sending his advice to bishops. I always see it used to kind of justify downplaying the more social justicey issues. Note that the fax does not state that health insurance, care for the environment, the death penalty, and peace are non-priorities or that they are "socialist" or that they can be ignored. In fact I think if you asked the Pope he would strenuously object to that characterization. He wrote his own social encyclical, Caritas in Veritate, which is strangely ignored by everybody who talks about Centesimus Annus. They are high priorities, just not as high as eliminating abortion.