Will Obama Destroy Franciscan University Of Steubenville?

[Basilisa Marie]

What the heck, you guys?!!!!!

I never said I wasn't pro-life. I'm Catholic - of course I'm pro life! I don't NEED your "Face the Truth" style disgusting pictures. I'm actually a bit insulted that you think I do. You just confirmed what I said ([i]sarcastically...[/i]clearly that is lost in this forum) about only caring about one part of Catholic Social Teaching. Yes it's an important issue. But can you recognize that other things are important AS WELL?

I'm done here. Clearly no one is actually taking the time to read what I have to say or take me seriously, and even if they are, you guys clearly don't think that I can be Catholic while not supporting Life Issues with my entire being.

Edited October 2, 2011 by Basilisa Marie

[dominicansoul]

what does all that matter vee, when women aren't getting their contraception and their abortions on catholic campuses?


oh, and of course dear leader himself pays for people's health insurance and for their way to college? so, abortion, although it certainly is a big deal, we can't ignore the great things dear leader is doing for our country...

...and quit posting those pictures of aborted babies.. we don't want to make too much of a big deal about abortion, it isn't the end all and be all... i mean we have starving children and all the born people in our third world country called the U.S.A. that need dear leader's money!!!! in no time he will make our great country into the socialist country rivaled only by North Korea (which this attitude reminds me of...)

[Winchester]

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1317589329' post='2314075']


Oh really? Maybe not for you, but the Obama administration has done plenty of things other than play golf. Obama is the reason why I can stay on my parents' health insurance until I'm 26 because I'm a full-time grad student.
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razzle dazzle, you get to stay on your parent's [s]health insurance[/s] third party payer system thanks to government coercion of private companies. Of course, that evil 3% profit will be diminished, but who cares because you get [s]insurance[/s] a pointless middleman involved in ordinary healthcare!

[vee]

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1317596114' post='2314154']
What the heck, you guys?!!!!!

I never said I wasn't pro-life. I'm Catholic - of course I'm pro life! I don't NEED your "Face the Truth" style disgusting pictures.
[/quote]

And those little babies didnt need their arms ripped off and brains sucked out but there are more important things to think about and worse days to be had.

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='vee8' timestamp='1317597048' post='2314163']

And those little babies didnt need their arms ripped off and brains sucked out but there are more important things to think about and worse days to be had.
[/quote]

and sadly, the money i pay for taxes is spent doing exactly this... thanx obama

[vee]

[quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1317596592' post='2314159']
what does all that matter vee, when women aren't getting their contraception and their abortions on catholic campuses?


oh, and of course dear leader himself pays for people's health insurance and for their way to college? so, abortion, although it certainly is a big deal, we can't ignore the great things dear leader is doing for our country...

...and quit posting those pictures of aborted babies.. we don't want to make too much of a big deal about abortion, it isn't the end all and be all... i mean we have starving children and all the born people in our third world country called the U.S.A. that need dear leader's money!!!! in no time he will make our great country into the socialist country rivaled only by North Korea (which this attitude reminds me of...)
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sorry. I go to get reprogrammed tomorrow

[ardillacid]

Well, I [i]was[/i] eating...

[BG45]

[quote name='ardillacid' timestamp='1317597765' post='2314169']
Well, I [i]was[/i] eating...
[/quote]

I was too actually.

[Clare~Therese]

Okay, I'm just going to say I was totally unprepared to see those pictures.
They made me cry a little.
I don't know if I want to eat dinner now.
But whether I'm going to eat dinner soon is unimportant.

[quote]

Our rights come from God not a government and it is the government's responsibility to protect all of its citizens, even those in the womb. If this is not done then they are not doing their job properly.
[/quote]

^ This.

[quote]Without the right to life from the moment of conception to natural death nothing else matters. If that isn't protected and respected first then all else is in vain. [/quote]

^ And this.


[quote]I had this image of a giant, rampaging Obama destroying the campus and a bunch of St. Francis look-a-likes running in terror. [/quote]

^ Lol.

[Deus te Amat]

Basilisa, while I understand what you are trying to say, I think the others are trying to make, albeit somewhat absurdly, is that you cannot have one of the corporal works of mercy at the expense of any of the others. While some of Obama's changes may be perceived as good for those less fortunate, these goods come at the expense of aborted lives. Without life, corporal works of mercy are... superfluous. If we give food to the hungry, we've failed because a baby has starved. If we clothe the naked, we've failed because we've ripped a baby from the protection of its mother's womb.

While it is good to look on the bright side of things and say "Obama, as president, has done this and this and this to benefit society," we cannot ignore the fact that he has failed to protect [i]the sanctity of human life[/i]. The ends do not justify the means.

I sincerely apologize for the lack of manners of my peers in this forum. It is impossible to progress in understanding without considerate dialogue, and, unfortunately, some in the debate board have yet to comprehend the nature of "dialogue."

Pax Christi,
DtA

[arfink]

I don't wish to engage in more bashing here, but I will pull out from my handbag of philosophical tricks one of the only ones that's useful on the internet anymore: something I like to call "reductio ad Hitler."

Hitler pulled Germany out of a financial gutter. He got the whole nation back to work, restored their national pride, sent millions of Germans to school. Millions of Germans were given jobs with good pay. Much of this was connected to Hitler's war efforts, but in many cases people were genuinely given a big break by Hitler's plans. He pulled Germany up by the bootstraps after the crushing economic toll of losing WWI. After all, he was actually very popular because of the many good works he did. Many Germans loved him.

His actions also killed millions upon millions of people, both in the death camps and on the field of battle where he waged an unjust war.

In the end, Germany paid an even greater price for following Hitler than they had for WWI. I say we shouldn't attempt to compromise- politicians are going to give us the whole enchilada or we'll bestow the big Catholic boot upon their rears and kick them out of office. They give us very regular and orderly intervals at which to change politicians, and while I have not seen a "whole enchilada" candidate in my entire life (except perhaps Allan Keyes) I still think voting with intent to block the worse evils from office is worthwhile.

[Byzantine]

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1317589329' post='2314075']
Yes, he isn't pro-life, but you honestly can't say that he hasn't done [i]anything [/i]for America. I'll probably get stoned for saying this, but I believe that abortion issues are not the only issues in politics. Yes, it [i]is[/i] incredibly important for us to be concerned with life issues. But at the same time what are we doing to help people once they're born? I don't agree with everything he's done or what he stands for, but someone would have to be blind to think that he hasn't done a single thing for the betterment of this country.
[/quote]

Anyone care to gimme a Bl. John Paul the Great quote here? I need the one about all other rights being false and illusory.

[vee]

[img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cBYs12RNJtg/S0V4d0RAeqI/AAAAAAAAAC4/S1TPobRVGlQ/S1600-R/Jesus+Flagelado.jpg[/img]

more absurdity

[Jesus_lol]

This thread is pathetic. there is no need for all this rabid posting. Im pretty sure everyone here, me included is prolife, when basilae says that some of Obama's actions are neutral or Ok, that is NOT a good reason to sharpen the pitchforks and burn down the babykiller.



Abortion is awful. duh. But that doesnt mean that every president that doesn't immediately revoke Roe vs Wade (haven't had one yet) is incapable of doing unrelated, good acts. and listing them out does not imply a tacit approval of everything else that president does.

unless you mean to imply that the vast majority of America is incapable of performing a good deed because they are prochoice... because that covers a good number of Conservatives as well, not to mention many catholics, and some other people who are prolife until they get pregnant.(its fairly common and very sad [url="http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html"]http://mypage.direct...anti-tales.html[/url])


or maybe i should just start posting several high resolution graphic pictures of burnt and mutilated children taken during any of the wars happening when Reagan, Bush sr or G W Bush (or Clinton, but no one here sings his praises) is mentioned in a semi positive way. That would make this forum a lovely place.





/flamebait

Edited October 3, 2011 by Jesus_lol

[Basilisa Marie]

[quote name='Deus_te_Amat' timestamp='1317601135' post='2314191']
Basilisa, while I understand what you are trying to say, I think the others are trying to make, albeit somewhat absurdly, is that you cannot have one of the corporal works of mercy at the expense of any of the others. While some of Obama's changes may be perceived as good for those less fortunate, these goods come at the expense of aborted lives. Without life, corporal works of mercy are... superfluous. If we give food to the hungry, we've failed because a baby has starved. If we clothe the naked, we've failed because we've ripped a baby from the protection of its mother's womb.

While it is good to look on the bright side of things and say "Obama, as president, has done this and this and this to benefit society," we cannot ignore the fact that he has failed to protect [i]the sanctity of human life[/i]. The ends do not justify the means.

I sincerely apologize for the lack of manners of my peers in this forum. It is impossible to progress in understanding without considerate dialogue, and, unfortunately, some in the debate board have yet to comprehend the nature of "dialogue."

Pax Christi,
DtA
[/quote]

I sincerely appreciate your civil response.

I understand why life issues are incredibly important in a Catholic's life - for many of the reasons that you described. That's why I can understand why so many Catholics devote their lives to the cause, and it is indeed a very noble one. I guess what I was trying to say was that while life issues are important, and even primary, one cannot make blanket statements that I thought people were making that say that no good at all has come from the evil of having a president that isn't pro-life. I should have been more explicit about that in my response - I have no problem at all with life issues being primary. It just seemed to me that people were saying that it's also okay to ignore the rest of what we're supposed to do to help those in need, as long as we fight for the unborn. That may have been a misunderstanding on my part, and if that's true, then I do apologize. I didn't mean to come off like I was saying that Obama is a wonderful president that has done no wrong. I was just reacting to blanket statements, and in hind sight I probably should have just ignored them. It's a pet peeve of mine that I gave into.

I think at the heart we do agree - you can't have one corporeal work of mercy without the others. I may have just focused too much on the "what about the others?" in my posts. And to get back to the ORIGINAL point of this thread, I do think we need to do whatever we can to try and stop the government from forcing all insurance companies to cover sterilizations and birth control, especially Catholic insurance companies.

Edited October 3, 2011 by Basilisa Marie