Will Obama Destroy Franciscan University Of Steubenville?

[Basilisa Marie]

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Are you saying that I may be among a catholic minority opposed to the Obamacare reproductive mandates, which makes me and the like minded, somehow invalid because the overwhelmingly majority of catholic perceived Obamacare to be a good thing?
I object to having to pay for the Obamacare reproductive mandates.
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Nope. I was saying that we could be rapidly approaching a time where all faithful Catholics will be in a religious minority whose rights to free expression will be violated by a secular majority. You and me both among that minority. And that this reproductive "rights" proposal is a greater symptom of this general shift.

[add]

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1317771077' post='2315398']

Nope. I was saying that we could be rapidly approaching a time where all faithful Catholics will be in a religious minority whose rights to free expression will be violated by a secular majority. You and me both among that minority. And that this reproductive "rights" proposal is a greater symptom of this general shift.
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unacceptable, no way Jose

[Winchester]

[quote name='GeorgiiMichael' timestamp='1317761866' post='2315332']

Nope. That's not even the issue. You are all arguing over nothing. BrasiliaMarie was only attempting to break through the fear mongering propaganda that the article was using, and bring to light the fact that Obama, while pro-abortion, has done some good things that shouldnt' be ignored.
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Violating the right of private individuals is not "good". Obamacare is utter poo.

[Socrates]

[quote name='GeorgiiMichael' timestamp='1317761866' post='2315332']

Nope. That's not even the issue. You are all arguing over nothing. BrasiliaMarie was only attempting to break through the fear mongering propaganda that the article was using, and bring to light the fact that Obama, while pro-abortion, has done some good things that shouldnt' be ignored. She wasn't saying that they were more important than the abortion issue. She was just saying that he isn't [i]quite[/i] as terrible as this board seems to think he is.[/quote]
While I could be wrong (Brasilisa can correct me if I am), it appeared her early posts in this thread that I was responding to were defending Obama, and seemed to be saying that she regards abortion simply as one issue among many. I went back and read over them again to see if I had inadvertantly missed something, and it still seems to be what they are saying.

And while I can agree that the wording of the Blackwell article was rather poor in talking as if these federal "guidlines" was made specifically with the purpose of bringing down FUS, it is still an absolutely horrible proposal which is an affront to religious liberty and freedom of conscience everywhere in this country, and should be opposed.

[quote]As Catholics, we have an intimate relationship with Truth. So why should we ignore simple truths? Such as Obama not being the anti-Christ, just because he supports abortion.[/quote]
I never claimed that Obama is the anti-Christ, but he is arguably the worst president in our nation's history.

[quote]No one is saying that abortion isn't a major issue, just that abortion isn't the only issue. Other goods shouldn't be ignored simply because our president doesn't support the dignity of life pre-birth. Abortion isn't even the only pro-life issue.


Politicians don't run on single issues. So they shouldn't be judged on single issues either.[/quote]
The truth is that I don't ignore other issues, though abortion certainly trumps most other contemporary political issues, morally speaking.

And quite frankly, Obama's record on the other issues stinks as well. I disagree that many of the things Brasilisa listed in his defense are in fact goods. While expansion of government spending on educational grants and healthcare spending, etc. may seem nice now, the fact is that our country is over 14 trillion dollars in debt, and counting, and somebody's going to have to pay for all the money he's spending down the line. Putting an un-payable debt on our children and grandchildren is simply not in our country's best interest. The long-term effects of this administration's runaway spending will irrevocably bankrupt our country if continued unchecked.

Obama's policies are like someone being deep over his head in credit card debt, then getting an other credit card to pay off the debt from the first card. Looks great at first - look at all the cash! - but it the long run, it's disastrous, and is not in that person's best interest.

And Obama's plan of forcing citizens to buy health insurance is in itself unconstitutional tyranny.

I don't regard the expansion of "hate crimes" legislation to be a good at all.

While I know there are those on here who disagree, I hardly consider Obama's rabidly pro-abortion stance a lone blemish on an otherwise stellar record.

[quote]And this post shouldn't be seen as a pro-Obama post. I did not vote for him, and I don't plan to vote for him either.[/quote]
Good.

[quote]Take a page from the man who's name you take, and read and understand what the other side is saying before jumping to conclusions. You can quote the Holy Father all you like, it doesn't change the fact that you take what you think people are saying and run with it, instead of really reading and coming to an agreement.


Everyone here agrees on the issues. And agrees that abortion is a major issue. Some of us see that you can't, and shouldn't, throw the baby out with the bathwater. As pro-lifers, we should all be able to agree with that.
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I'll make up my own mind as to whom and what I should agree with here.

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1317776197' post='2315458']
Violating the right of private individuals is not "good". Obamacare is utter poo.
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Amen.

[Basilisa Marie]

[quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1317777442' post='2315469']
While I could be wrong (Brasilisa can correct me if I am), it appeared her early posts in this thread that I was responding to were defending Obama, and seemed to be saying that she regards abortion simply as one issue among many. I went back and read over them again to see if I had inadvertantly missed something, and it still seems to be what they are saying.

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Thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt.

I only defended Obama in so much as I rather dislike negative blanket statements about presidents that say that they haven't done ANYTHING good. Personally I just have a certain level of respect for the office itself, regardless of who is in it. I didn't vote for him, and I don't think he's an amesome president or anything like that. And I didn't mean to say that abortion is "merely" one issue out of many, and later tried to clarify that while abortion and life issues are very important and can be the primary focus of our energy, we shouldn't ignore the rest of what we're supposed to do to help others in need in the pursuit of defending life. That's all. I thought people were implying that abortion was the only thing that mattered at all in Catholic social teaching, but that wasn't the case. I respect the fact that you disagree with me about whether or not the things I mentioned are good. That's fair enough.

[MissyP89]

We don't like abortion and, generally speaking, we don't like Obama either, for a myriad of different reasons.

amesome. I'm so glad we understand each other!

So, moving on: what can we, as Catholics and other pro-life Christians, do to protect the religious freedom of private institutions?

[Winchester]

Support the free market and oppose government social programs.

Edited October 5, 2011 by Winchester

[Basilisa Marie]

Write our congresspeoples! For real. I just emailed my representative about this. She's a new republican...my senators are democrats and probably won't care, but I'm sending them an email anyway.

Find yours here:

For the House: [url="https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml"]https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml[/url]
And for the Senate: [url="http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm"]http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm[/url]

[missionseeker]

great article/letter


[url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/hhss-birth-control-rules-intrude-on-catholic-values/2011/09/27/gIQAOj8s9K_story.html?wpisrc=emailtoafriend"]http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/hhss-birth-control-rules-intrude-on-catholic-values/2011/09/27/gIQAOj8s9K_story.html?wpisrc=emailtoafriend[/url]

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1317778518' post='2315474']

Thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt.

I only defended Obama in so much as I rather dislike negative blanket statements about presidents that say that they haven't done ANYTHING good.
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sort of like the outrageous obnoxious blanket statements that express pro-lifers only care for the unborn and not for people once they are born....

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='missionseeker' timestamp='1317790565' post='2315572']
great article/letter


[url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/hhss-birth-control-rules-intrude-on-catholic-values/2011/09/27/gIQAOj8s9K_story.html?wpisrc=emailtoafriend"]http://www.washingto...=emailtoafriend[/url]
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the comments after the story are disheartening.... people just don't seem to understand....

[Basilisa Marie]

[quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1317832306' post='2315725']

sort of like the outrageous obnoxious blanket statements that express pro-lifers only care for the unborn and not for people once they are born....
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I'd PM you, but your inbox seems to be full.

[quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1317834092' post='2315729']


the comments after the story are disheartening.... people just don't seem to understand....
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At least its finally in some of the secular media, though. Even if it is just the opinion section.

[tinytherese]

Never read the comments to any article or youtube video. Haters take the opportunity to post their hate on them.

[BG45]

[quote name='tinytherese' timestamp='1317876589' post='2315944']
Never read the comments to any article or youtube video. Haters take the opportunity to post their hate on them.
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I googled "Youtube comments faith in humanity" and every result is something along the lines of "Reading YouTube comments makes me lose faith in humanity".

[tinytherese]

When it comes to evangelizing pro-choicers, think of the movie Bella. What did Jose do in Bella, when Nina expressed her desire for an abortion? He befriended her, listened to why she wanted one, emphasized with her, spent the day with her with personal sacrifice to his job (not that that is recommended,) brought her home to his family where she not only experienced the love from them that she hadn't received from her own mom but also heard the story of how one of their children was adopted-hearing the testimony of the beauty of adoption and Jose telling her that that brother of his is just the same to them as his other brother as if he wasn't adopted at all, and shared his own remorseful story of taking a little girl's life away and the pain that it caused her mother. In other words--he loved her and she in time decided at the last minute not to abort her baby.

On another note, I have a prayer request for those of you who didn't see or don't look at the prayer room or open mic. My best friend knows a woman at his parish who had tests done on her unborn baby and they show that he or she may have medical problems, so she's thinking about having a surgical abortion. She doesn't feel comfortable talking to the priest and she goes to the Catholic church one week and an Evangelical Lutheran church the next. The people she knows at the EL church think that she should have an abortion. I suggested that he suggest that this woman talk to someone at the parish with a son or daughter with a medical condition to talk to her about how such a child can be a gift. He said he knows a woman who has a daughter with cerebral palsy who could talk to her. Please pray for this situation.