pinstripes Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 is it a sin if you buy a diamond ring when many diamonds are mined in areas of the world where workers are treated unfairly? wouldn't you be paying for that to continue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeTeamFamily Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 i wouldnt think so.....same concept as like would you buy a pair of Nikes even though they have been rumored to have sweatshops?.....IMO as long as its not like extravagant and you arent doing it to perpetuate the industry, it would not be sinful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikkan_hanil Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 No. Most of the time it is only sin when you know fully what your doing. That goes for mortal sin as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovechrist Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 i doubt it... we don't know where the bling-bling goes.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philippe Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 tru dat we need da bling blind from somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 [quote name='lifeteener' date='Apr 29 2004, 10:33 PM'] tru dat we need da bling blind from somewhere [/quote] Do we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 first, bling bling could be constrewn as immodesty which is a sin in and of itself secondly, if you know that these are 'conflict diamonds' and you know that the mining of these diamonds are causing unfair treatment of workers, and you buy them anyways, wouldnt that be full knowledge and deliberate consent? certainly god wouldnt want us enjoying our lives on the backs of others. this time, its not just the hippy in me. its the christian in me. can you, as a christian, honestly believe that supporting 'conflict diamonds' is a good thing? encouraging this despicable industry where workers are far underpaid and diamonds are marked up beyond comparison? i think that if you know the diamond is a 'conflict diamond' and you buy it anways thats full knowledge and deliberate consent = mortal sin. anybody who can provide any reasons it owuld not be aside from the bling bling factor i would encourage to say something. [quote]as long as its not like extravagant and you arent doing it to perpetuate the industry, it would not be sinful [/quote] the industry is built on the backs of the people who buy the diamonds. who else would be perpetuating the industry? buying a conflict diamond is a vote against human rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeTeamFamily Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 [quote]the industry is built on the backs of the people who buy the diamonds. who else would be perpetuating the industry? buying a conflict diamond is a vote against human rights.[/quote] i was talking about like buying the diamond for the sole purpose of giving profit to the diamond owners.......as opposed to like buying it as a wedding/engagement ring/other purpose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 well obviously you arent buying it to give profit to the owners. you are buying it because you are too cheap to support proper wages and human rights. nobody buys nike to support child labour and sweatshops, but thats what their dollar ends up funding. if you buy a conflict diamond, you are saying i dont care that my money is going towards subhuman work standards - i just want to pay a low price. ITS WRONG. would you buy a necklace from someone for $1000 when it cost them $10 to make if yuo knew the $990 was going to support pro-choice ralleys and abortions for pregnant teens? The fact of the matter is, you know that your money is funding this industry. buying a wedding ring is supposed to be an act of love, should that act of love be based on a cheap diamond on the backs of africans who are practically slaves? thats hardly an act of love people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeTeamFamily Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 alright then.....show me an industry that pays its workers absolutely fair and equal wages and benefits.......umm yea that doesnt exist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Umm yeah they do. Plenty do. Canada has polar bear diamonds, for example. These are mined with both the environment and proper wages in mind. The Ave Maria mutual fund only buys shares in companies which meet standards. These include Harley Davidson, Domino's pizza... I find it totally hypocritical for people to say they are christian then buy into slave labour! Look at your clothes... Where are they from? I'm not saying I alwyas buy things im sure are 100% human rights approved, but I do avoid things like Nike. CONFLICT DIAMONDS ARENT "IFFY". They are called "conflict" because they are against human rights. So at your wedding, or engagement, or whatever - look at your fiance and tell them 'this is a conflict diamond... some black guy getting 25 cents an hour dug this out for you. i could have paid extra for one mined by people who support human rights, but darnit you arent worth it and neither are human rights!' Violating human rights = bad Funding inhumane trreament = bad Knowing you are buying a conflict diamond and doing it anyways = mortal sin. PLUS... CONFLICT DIAMONDS ARE ILLEGAL IN CANADA AND THE UNITED STATES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.SIGGA Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 It's a sin as much as simply being American is a sin. Everything we have comes from someone somewhere being exploited and mistreated to some extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 [quote name='crusader1234' date='Apr 30 2004, 12:27 AM'] Umm yeah they do. Plenty do. Canada has polar bear diamonds, for example. These are mined with both the environment and proper wages in mind. The Ave Maria mutual fund only buys shares in companies which meet standards. These include Harley Davidson, Domino's pizza... I find it totally hypocritical for people to say they are christian then buy into slave labour! Look at your clothes... Where are they from? I'm not saying I alwyas buy things im sure are 100% human rights approved, but I do avoid things like Nike. CONFLICT DIAMONDS ARENT "IFFY". They are called "conflict" because they are against human rights. So at your wedding, or engagement, or whatever - look at your fiance and tell them 'this is a conflict diamond... some black guy getting 25 cents an hour dug this out for you. i could have paid extra for one mined by people who support human rights, but darnit you arent worth it and neither are human rights!' Violating human rights = bad Funding inhumane trreament = bad Knowing you are buying a conflict diamond and doing it anyways = mortal sin. PLUS... CONFLICT DIAMONDS ARE ILLEGAL IN CANADA AND THE UNITED STATES. [/quote] I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Amen Jason. Sigga, don't you think that we should try now, more than ever, to change our ways? The US was built on slavery (i'm from Canada) and your using the fact that you once had slavery as an excuse to continue to promote it? This seems like a questionable thought process to me. Excuses are never good, especially when you are saying 'Well we did this back then so ther'es no point in changing!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeTeamFamily Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 ok ill agree on the diamonds for the sake of moving the discussion along.....what about in an area where coal miners are paid low wages for long and hard hours......would you just not use your lights and electricity because it supports the coal companies??? all im trying to get at is that at what point do you make it a priority to see the background of all the stuff you buy to make sure it hasnt come as a result of human rights violations? i agree with sigga that most of the products we use on a daily basis have come from a low wage worker at some point during manufacturing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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