"ground Zero Mosque" Opens Quietly

[SanctitasDeo]

[quote]What is striking to me is the resounding lack for condemnation for terrorist acts. By failing to condemn these terrorist actions they are in fact condoning terrorist acts. I have a problem with that. [/quote]

This is why I always make sure to publicly condemn any sort of evil or negative act performed by other Christians. Otherwise, I am, in fact, condoning those actions.

[url="http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/muslim_voices_against_extremism_and_terrorism_2/"]http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/muslim_voices_against_extremism_and_terrorism_2/[/url]

[Ed Normile]

Overwhelmingly most Imans have not publicly came forward to denounce acts of terrorism, especially 9/11, that said they are human too, prone to error just like you and I. Most muslims do not commit terroristic acts either that is true. Most catholics are willing to point out error in the church, look at the scandals of recent past and the witholdings of tithes and public outcry, take for example the many apologies offered by the Church for everything from the scandals to the mistakes of years past. Here in Ohio we have had two Imans arrested for terrorist activities, one from N. Ohio who paid for napalm tipped rpg's to attack a mall in Columbus Ohio during the Christmas shopping rush, fortunately his arms dealer turned out to be a canadian undercover agent. Another was from the mosque just north of Cin. Ohio who was funding terrorist activities through his collection monies, these guys hardly seemed either repentant or sorry for terrorist acts. It would be refreshing to hear of an Immam or a Grand Ayatollah come forward and apologize for 9/11 or any of the other atrocities their followers have commited, until that day I find it hard to beleive that Islam is a religion of peace.

ed

[Mr.Cat]

Ed Normile must of missed me quoting where this community center's spokesman, owner, and iman clearly condemns terrorism... publicly on a national news service... Funny that.

[SanctitasDeo]

I think that part of the problem is the extreme decentralized nature of Islam. They are kind of like Protestants that way (Heck, even knowing protestants, I do not hear any of them apologizing for the Westboro Baptist Church or any protestant misdeeds. Maybe Protestant Christianity is not a religion of peace, either ). So when Muslims commit terrorist acts, there is no Pope to stand up and condemn them. Also, the ayatollahs and imams that are most in the news are those who support the terrorism or are otherwise in some sort of opposition, such as Khamenei. If one does not personally know any imams or even Muslims, then one never hears much about opposition to terrorism at all.

And then there is the part where in many Middle-Eastern countries, standing up to support America might get one or one's family killed by terrorists.

I don't want to condone the terrorism committed or excuse those responsible. But I have known many peaceful Muslims whom I don't want to hear slandered.

We hear so much more about people dying from terrorism, etc. than we do about the people who oppose it that I am not surprised so many Americans think of Islam as violent. Some messages stick in people's minds better than others. Hearing about how someone opposes terrorism is unremarkable. We all oppose terrorism, right? But hearing about how the [different race, nationality, religion] does x activity, which we do not do? It sticks in your mind.

To return to the protestant example: most American know enough protestants (or are protestants) that when something like that happens, it is doesn't phase us. But when we hear horrible things about a group unfamiliar to us, they stick.

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='Mercy me' timestamp='1316755323' post='2308821']

What is striking to me is the resounding lack for condemnation for terrorist acts. By failing to condemn these terrorist actions they are in fact condoning terrorist acts. I have a problem with that.
[/quote]

this post shows an profound ignorance on this issue, and further, the very basic structure of the Muslim community.




and i found this today
[url="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15044797"]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15044797[/url]

[mortify]

I met Feisel Abdul Rauf back in 2002 or 2003 when he gave an inservice at a public school. He was educating teachers on Islam and it's way of life. I was a recent convert at the time, and my impression of Rauf's opinions were that they were moderate, perhaps even liberal. When asked about the acceptance of homosexuality in the Islamic community, Rauf appeared to justify it by quoting something out of the Arabian nights! This is why I laughed when the media was trying to make him out to be a fundementalist. Sure, he might want to spread Sharia, but his notion of Sharia is so different, and so in-line with our life stlyle in the US, that we really have nothing to worry about. This man's personal version of Islam is not something that needs to be feared.

[mortify]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1316891626' post='2309312']
this post shows an profound ignorance on this issue, and further, the very basic structure of the Muslim community.[/quote]

Apparently the "structure" of the Islamic community didn't prevent them from giving a unified voice against Danish cartoons. Waves of protests were seen all over the world, churches were destroyed, religious killed. Muslims have a very loud voice, if they choose to use it.

[quote]
and i found this today
[url="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15044797"]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15044797[/url]
[/quote]

Whenever there is a condemnation you have to look for a precise statement. You can find an Islamic scholar who will say killing innocents is against Islam, but upon further questioning, will say Israeli citizens are not innocents. So some weariness is needed.

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='Mr.Cat' timestamp='1316823685' post='2309068']
Ed Normile must of missed me quoting where this community center's spokesman, owner, and iman clearly condemns terrorism... publicly on a national news service... Funny that.
[/quote]

Gee Mr. Cat, if you actually read what I posted, I did say "It would be refreshing to hear.." as I have not heard it myself and all I have is your post with no accompanying video file or transcript so I still have not even heard what you claim this " community center spokesman" allegedly said ... Funny that.

By the way is a "community center spokesman" anything like an Immam or a Grand Ayatollah, which would be Islams equivalent of our Pope.

Shew!

ed

Edited September 26, 2011 by Ed Normile

[Mr.Cat]

[quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1316998681' post='2310148']Gee Mr. Cat, if you actually read what I posted, I did say "It would be refreshing to hear.." as I have not heard it myself and all I have is your post with no accompanying video file or transcript so I still have not even heard what you claim this " community center spokesman" allegedly said ... Funny that.[/quote]I did post the transcript and I quoted verbatim what he said.
[quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1316998681' post='2310148']By the way is a "community center spokesman" anything like an Immam or a Grand Ayatollah, which would be Islams equivalent of our Pope.[/quote]I defer to J_lol's assessment.
[quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1316998681' post='2310148']Shew![/quote]Shew? A variation on the word show?

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Edited September 26, 2011 by Mr.Cat