Marriage Myths

[Lil Red]

by Steven Crowder (whom I love):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnfclkdRa-A

[Laudate_Dominum]

I hope that's all true but they don't make it easy to validate their claims.

[url="http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/08/10/marriage-it-really-is-beautiful-thing/"]http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/08/10/marriage-it-really-is-beautiful-thing/[/url]

"Social leftists love to perpetuate this lie (about marriages failing) and for one simple reason; if you can devalue the practice of marriage by deeming it nothing more than a hopeless crapshoot of an endeavor, you can, then, open the floodgates to manipulating both its standards and importance in society."

How was this determined? Seems a bit paranoid.

"The fact is that not only is divorce much lower than commonly stated, but the divorce rate is consistently declining because people of all ages inherently understand it’s value."

Evidence? And how was it determined that the cause is an increased understanding of the value of marriage?

"Also – and many of you will really hate to hear this – if both partners are actively practicing a religious faith, their divorce rate is even lower."

An interesting but unsubstantiated correlation.

Etcetera...

They throw in a link here and there which one might imagine would be legitimate sources but I found the best to be a New York Times opinion piece and a poorly done webmd article.

I really wish journalists would take the time to provide legitimate references when spouting off like this. I have no reason to believe any of it and personally found some of it to be quite eyebrow raising.

[Lil Red]

thanks, Debbie Downer.

[Laudate_Dominum]

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thanks, Debbie Downer.
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SORRY!

Disregard my last post, pleeease.

[Lil Red]

i just like giving you croutons on your salad.

[Laudate_Dominum]

Have a space hymn.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-eDio1iZUs"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-eDio1iZUs[/url]

[Adrestia]

I read a report some time ago about divorce rates in the South being higher than they are in the Northeast.
[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' timestamp='1315599803' post='2302655']
I hope that's all true but they don't make it easy to validate their claims.

[url="http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/08/10/marriage-it-really-is-beautiful-thing/"]http://www.foxnews.c...eautiful-thing/[/url]

"Social leftists love to perpetuate this lie (about marriages failing) and for one simple reason; if you can devalue the practice of marriage by deeming it nothing more than a hopeless crapshoot of an endeavor, you can, then, open the floodgates to manipulating both its standards and importance in society."

How was this determined? Seems a bit paranoid.

"The fact is that not only is divorce much lower than commonly stated, but the divorce rate is consistently declining because people of all ages inherently understand it’s value."

Evidence? And how was it determined that the cause is an increased understanding of the value of marriage?

"Also – and many of you will really hate to hear this – if both partners are actively practicing a religious faith, their divorce rate is even lower."

An interesting but unsubstantiated correlation.

Etcetera...

They throw in a link here and there which one might imagine would be legitimate sources but I found the best to be a New York Times opinion piece and a poorly done webmd article.

I really wish journalists would take the time to provide legitimate references when spouting off like this. I have no reason to believe any of it and personally found some of it to be quite eyebrow raising.
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This link explains why legitimate references seem hard to come by.
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/d/divorce.htm

[let_go_let_God]

"Leftists and Hollywood hate all good things. I think it's marriage, unborn babies, and puppies."

Not the puppies too!

God bless-
LGLG

[CatherineM]

People have to actually get married before they can divorce.

[missionseeker]

[quote name='let_go_let_God' timestamp='1315605447' post='2302694']
"Leftists and Hollywood hate all good things. I think it's marriage, unborn babies, and puppies."

Not the puppies too!

God bless-
LGLG
[/quote]


I bet they hate bunnies, unicorns, rainbows and glitter as well.

[rachael]

i hate fox news.

[Winchester]

Lies, beaver dam lies, and statistics.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Adrestia' timestamp='1315602224' post='2302674']
I read a report some time ago about divorce rates in the South being higher than they are in the Northeast.


This link explains why legitimate references seem hard to come by.
[url="http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/d/divorce.htm"]http://www.truthorfi...s/d/divorce.htm[/url]
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How is that not an example of what I was griping about with regards to the Fox article? Poorly presented data and unsubstantiated analysis with no references. At least in this case it is just some random website and not a major news outlet.

I've not researched the divorce demography question and don't have a view on that, but I did come across these reports just now after a wee interweb search.


[url="http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr58/nvsr58_25.pdf"]Tejada-Vera B, Sutton PD. (2010). Births, Marriages, Divorces, and Deaths: Provisional Data for 2009. [i]National Vital Statistics Reports,[/i] 58(25). 2010.[/url]

[url="http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_23/sr23_028.pdf"]Goodwin PY, Mosher WD, Chandra A. (2010). Marriage and Cohabitation in the United States: A Statistical Portrait Based on Cycle 6 (2002) of the National Survey of Family Growth. [i]Vital Health Statistics,[/i] 23(28). 2010.[/url]

If the first report is taken at face value (Table A.) it indicates a marriage rate in 2009 of 6.8 per 1000 and a divorce rate of 3.4 per 1000 (preliminary data based on 44 states). This hardly corroborates the Fox News opinion piece. But again, I've not researched the topic and am not in a position to analyze the data, just throwing it out there. I'm only bent out of shape here because shoddy journalism shapes the opinions of millions based on its own implicit authority rather than on the weight of evidence and logic. This is a cultural criticism more than anything else (and a personal frustration of late).

[Adrestia]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' timestamp='1315662290' post='2302895']How is that not an example of what I was griping about with regards to the Fox article?
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I'm only bent out of shape here because shoddy journalism shapes the opinions of millions based on its own implicit authority rather than on the weight of evidence and logic. This is a cultural criticism more than anything else (and a personal frustration of late).[/quote]

My apologies. I didn't think that I needed to point out that it IS an example of what you were griping about. I agree with you. Media outlets call themselves "news" and pretend to report facts, but they all have agendas.

[Adrestia]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' timestamp='1315662290' post='2302895']
If the first report is taken at face value (Table A.) it indicates a marriage rate in 2009 of 6.8 per 1000 and a divorce rate of 3.4 per 1000 (preliminary data based on 44 states). [/quote]
Forgot to mention that the above data can't be used to determine what percent of marriages end in divorce. It only gives # of new marriages & # of divorces in a year. It does not include # of marriages that were already in existence. The marriage rate was twice the divorce rate in that snapshot; over time, the number of established marriages would eclipse the number of new divorces.