God Conquers Posted July 7, 2003 Share Posted July 7, 2003 We are fighting a war right now. The forces of evil will lose eventually, we know that, but we have to fight for the souls of those who are unaware of the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted July 7, 2003 Author Share Posted July 7, 2003 shh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donna Posted July 7, 2003 Share Posted July 7, 2003 Winchester, are you quoting the Edwin Starr recording of "War" or a re-make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader_4 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 War is evil regardless of the situation its a last resort and i dont see it as a just resort...its the last option. It is not nesscairly just but nesscary in certain situations and thus perhaps excused by the Just war theorm. But to say the prinicple of War itself is Just i would say no. To say a certain war i.e. WWII could have been justified. However that doesnt make War itself Just. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietfire Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 War itself isnt just. That is why it is war. God knew that in certain instances war would and will be the only recourse to a specific problem. WWII was a personal agenda for Hitler, for example. He was serving no one other than himself. Our involvement was a result of those who figured to remove us as a possible threat, thereby involving us. Our involvement was due to sanctity of life first, the freedom of the oppressed next. Being that we as man lost integrity and continue to see self as above all other, the most important factor, then war will continue until God sees fit to correct things here on Earth. Also being that so many have not been bought yet into the light that is truth in God, we are very far from that goal. May God have mercy on our souls. Peace :peace: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeenaBobba Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 War is never a good thing, objectively speaking. Killing another human being is never a good thing. That being said, however, the intention to go to war (in accordance with Catholic Just War teaching) is morally good; ergo, soldiers defending themselves are not personally guilty of any sin. It's the principle of double effect, where killing is bad but defense is good. Christians should be neither warmongers nor pacifists. I know that some Eastern Orthodox Christians view war as sinful, that killing another human being is always sinful, and that soldiers need to repent. They view war as a "necessary evil," which is, IMHO, an incoherent position to hold. God bless, Jennifer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JeffCR07 Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 I'll cast my lot with the Catechism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovechrist Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 [quote name='JeffCR07' date='Jun 29 2004, 04:39 PM'] I'll cast my lot with the Catechism [/quote] yeppers! it's a hard choice... i was VERY strongly against any type of messing with Iraq and all, after the 9/11 buisness.. but now i look at it a bit differently, becuz what might've happened if Bush hadn't intervened? more planes could've been hijacked... and it gets worse from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 I go with the CCC. ANd I think the times when the certia are meet are very rare and far between and pre emption doesn't fit ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 War isnt good. While I'm no idiot and aknowledge that war is neccesary soemtimes and fits into the just war criteria. With that in mind, I think that the Catechism clearly outlines the fact that we are supposed to be against war, and therefore even when it is just we should not make it into some Patriotic party where we get all excited about how we are crushing evil. War is disgusting, even when neccesary and just. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey's_Girl Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 I voted for "just war", but considering that the way terrorism works makes just war (as I understand it) difficult to enact. I'm using the very narrow idea of acting "defensively": in a terrorism situation, say, 9/11, what does "defensively" mean? There's no time to "resist" the planes flying into buildings...but ignoring such attacks does not guarantee they'll stop, and in fact, makes it likely they won't. So what to do? There are many possibilities, including looking for root causes of terrorism (poverty and lack of opportunity probably have something to do with it, although I think it's naive to say those are the only reasons people participate in terrorism) and trying to fix them... Given the complexities of current geopolitics, I think it might be prudent for the church to give another look to "just war" and see if there's anything that needs to be clarified. But I also agree with Crusader1234: War is disgusting, even if necessary and just, and even when its participants are noble, self-sacrificing, and brave (and many are). It is horrible for soldiers and civilians alike. Thus, not to be entered into lightly. MG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeenaBobba Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 Amen to that, Jacob and Rich. God bless, Jen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysologus Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 Why did Crusader_4 resurrect this [i]ancient [/i]thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 good question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 crusader1234 wouldn't surpise me for bumping this. But C4. Hmmm. I think the fact that an old thread like this can float on its own this high for more than a few posts or votes means something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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