Skeptics Annotated Bible?

[point5]

I asked my brother, a bright atheist, to give me his attacks on the bible...and he gave me this link:

[url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mt/pr_list.html"]http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mt/pr_list.html[/url]

He did not do this to invalidate it but to show where alot of the bad stuff happens in the bible...he finds it amusing. But I was looking at the attacks that it had to prophecies being fulfilled and frankly didnt know how to respond to its comments!!! Help me...give me a link...your insight...this is troubling me greatly...I want to show him prophecies that were fulfilled that are solid and cannot be refuted.

He also asked Why a loving God cursed all for Eves sin, flooded mankind, etc etc. Why does God let girls get raped...etc etc. And I feel I can answer these but it would be better to have some other sources than my own personal knowledge.

Thanks family
-Kiel

[point5]

I have already found some great sites but feel free to give more...I love learning...it is three in the morning...yet I can't stop reading....Knowledge....Knowledge...Ok time to pray!!!!!!

-Kiel

[ironmonk]

Please give him this one:

[url="http://catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0002.html"]http://catholiceducation.org/articles/apol...ics/ap0002.html[/url]


God Bless,
ironmonk

[ironmonk]

Also, something to note... many who claim to be athiests really are not athiests... they are mad at God and they think that they are getting Him back by saying they don't believe... A true atheist wouldn't care to prove the bible wrong... a true athiest would care about what the truth was but they would not get nasty toward Christians.

God Bless,
ironmonk

[point5]

just on a side note...ironmonk...by brother didnt try to prove the bible wrong...I simply asked him what his attacks on it were...he never really even mentioned it before...he actually is not nasty towards christians, and is a rather compassionate person... he is a seeker of truth...but I feel he only is willing to accept truth that complies with his predetermined mindset.

ps I really appreciate your insight...you have valuable knowledge and resources!

-Kiel

[Pio Nono]

JMJ
4/29 - St. Catherine of Siena

St. Augustine, commenting on the bad stuff that Scripture records, is quoted as saying,

"[i]Narrata, non laudata[/i](It is narrated, not praised) - Only an account of the action is given, not a commendation of it. It was fitting that the judgment of God was included in some accounts of human action and omitted from others. The judgment of God is mentioned to enlighten our ignorance and, where it is not mentioned, we must either use knowledge we have gained elsewhere or stir ourselves to ask questions" ([i]Contra Faustum[/i], 22, 45).

[phatcatholic]

where prophecies are concerned, check out these Messianic prophecies fulfilled by Jesus:

[b]I. General Prophecies Concerning the Coming of Jesus[/b]
Gen. 49:10; Mic. 5:2 - a kingdom and ruler of Israel shall come from Judah - Mattt. 1:1-2, Luke 3:23,33 - Jesus is from the line of Judah.

Deut. 18:18 - He will be raised up as a prophet - Matt. 21:11, Luke 7:16; John 6:14; 7:40 - Jesus is identified as this prophet.

Psalm 2:6 - He will be a King - Matt. 21:5; John 18:36-37 - Jesus is this King.

Psalm 2:7 - you are my Son, today I have begotten you - Matt. 3:17; Acts 13:33 - God the Father said this about Jesus the Son.

Psalm 69:4; Isaiah 49:7 - He will be hated without a cause - John 15:25 - Jesus was hated without a cause.

Psalm 69:9 - zeal for thy house has consumed me - John 2:16-17 - zeal consumed Jesus as He drove out the traders.

Psalm 78:2 - He will speak in parables - Matt. 13:34-35 - Jesus spoke in parables.

Psalm 110:1; Jer. 23:6 - He will be called Lord - Matt. 22:43-45; Luke 2:11; Heb. 1:10 - Jesus is called Lord by the Lord.

Psalm 118:22; Isaiah 8:14; 28:16 - He will be the stone rejected by the builders - Acts 4:10-11; Rom. 9:32-33; 1 Peter 2:7-8 - Jesus is the stone rejected by the builders.

Psalm 118:26; Hag.2:7-9; Mal. 3:1 - He will come to the Temple - Matt. 21:12; John 2:13-17 - Jesus so came to the Temple.

Psalm 132:11; Jer. 23:5 - He, the king, shall come from the House of David - Matt. 1:1; Luke 3:23,31 - Jesus is the son of David.

Isaiah 6:9-10 - they hear but do not understand and see but do not perceive - Matt. 13:14-15; John 12:38-41 - this is why Jesus used parables.

Isaiah 7:14 - He will be born of a young virgin woman - Matt. 1:18, 24-25; Luke 1:26-35 - Jesus was born of the young virgin Mary.

Isaiah 9:1 - His ministry will make Galilee glorious - Matt 4:12-17 - Jesus begins His ministry in Galilee.

Isaiah 9:6 - a woman shall bear a son called Emmanuel ("God is with us") - Luke 1:35 - Jesus is this one, the Son of God.

Isaiah 11:2 - the Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon Him - Matt. 3:16-17 - the Spirit of God descended upon Jesus like a dove.

Isaiah 32:3-4; 35:5-6- His ministry will include miracles curing the blind, deaf, lame and dumb - Matt. 9:32-35 - Jesus so cured the blind, deaf, lame and dumb.

Isaiah 33:22 - He will be a judge - John 5:30 - Jesus is the judge who judges justly.

Isaiah 40:3; Mal. 3:1 - He will be preceded by a messenger - Mat. 3:1-3; 11:10; Luke 1:17; John 1:23 - Jesus was so preceded (by Saint John the Baptist).

Isaiah 53:3 - He will be rejected by His people - John 1:11; 7:5 - Jesus was rejected by His own people.

Isaiah 61:1-2 - the Spirit of the Lord is upon Him - Luke 4:21 - Jesus says that He has fulfilled this prophecy.

Zech. 9:9 - He will triumphantly enter Jerusalem on an ass - Matt. 21:5; Luke 19:35-38; John 12:14-17 - Jesus so entered Jerusalem.

Mic. 5:2 - Israel's ruler shall come from Bethlehem - Matt. 2:1,4-8; Luke 2:4-7 - Jesus was born in Bethlehem.


[b]II. Prophecies Fulfilled by Jesus in His Passion, Death, Resurrection and Ascension[/b]
Psalm 16:10; 30:3 - He will not be spared from death and yet remain incorrupt - Acts 2:31; 13:33,35 - Jesus conquered death and remained incorrupt.

Psalm 22:1 - My God, my God, why has thou forsaken me? - Matt. 27:46; Mark 15:34 - Jesus utters this rabbinical formula from the cross declaring that He is the Messiah.

Psalm 22:7 - the people will wag their heads at Him - Matt. 27:39; Mark 15:29 - the people wagged their heads at Jesus on the cross.

Psalm 22:7 - He will be mocked - Matt. 27:31; Mark 15:20; Luke 22:63; 23:36 - Jesus was mocked.

Psalm 22:16; Isa. 53:12 - He will be numbered with the transgressors - Matt. 27:38; Mark 15:27; Luke 23:32; John 19:18 - Jesus was numbered with the transgressors by being crucified between two thieves.

Psalm 22:16; Zech 12:10 - His hands and feet will be pierced and they will weep for the first-born - John 19:23,34,37 - Jesus' hands and feet were pierced and his followers wept for Him, the true first-born Son of Israel.

Psalm 22:17 - they will stare and gloat over Him - Matt. 27:36; Luke 23:35 - the people stood by and stared at Jesus on the cross.

Psalm 22:18 - they will divide His garments among them - Matt. 27:35; Mark 15:24; Luke 23:34; John 19:23 - they divided Jesus' garments among them.

Psalm 22:18 - they will cast lots for His garments - Matt. 27:35; Mark 15:24; Luke 23:34; John 19:24 - they cast lots for Jesus' garments.

Psalm 30:3; 41:10, 118:17; Hos 6:2 - He will be raised to life on the third day - Acts 13:33, Matt. 28:6; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:34,46 - Jesus was raised to life on the third day.

Psalm 34:20 - He will not have broken bones - John 19:33,36 - none of Jesus' bones were broken.

Psalm 41:9; 55:12-14 - He will be betrayed by a friend - Matt. 10:4; 26:20-25; Mark 14:18-21; John 13:18 - Jesus was betrayed by a friend.

Psalm 68:18 - He will ascend into heaven - Mark 16:19; Luke 24:51; John 20:17; Acts 1:9 - Jesus ascended into heaven.

Psalm 68:20 - He will escape the powers of death - Acts 2:31; 13:33; Matt 28:6; Mark 16:6, Luke 24:46; John 20:9-10 - Jesus escaped the powers of death through his resurrection.

Psalm 69:21 - they will give Him vinegar to drink - Matt. 27:34,48; Mark 15:23,36; Luke 23:36; John 19:29 - they gave Jesus vinegar to drink.

Psalm 110:1 - He will sit at the right hand of God - Heb. 1:3; Acts 2:34-35 - Jesus sits at the right hand of God.

Isaiah 50:6 - He will be spat upon - Matt. 26:67; Mark 15:19 - Jesus was spat upon.

Isaiah 50:6; Mic. 5:1 - the ruler of Israel's cheek will be struck - Matt. 26:67; Luke 22:63; John 18:22 - Jesus was so struck and beaten.

Isaiah 53:5; Zech. 13:6 - He was wounded, bruised and scourged for us - Matt. 27:26; Mark 15:15; John 19:1 - Jesus was wounded, bruised and scourged for us.

Isaiah 53:7 - He will remain silent before His accusers - Matt. 27:12,14; Mark 14:61;15:5; Luke 23:9; John 19:9 - Jesus remained silent before His accusers.

Isaiah 53:8-10; Dan. 9:26 - the anointed one shall be cut off and die - Luke 23:46; 24:7; John 19:30 - Jesus the Messiah died.

Isaiah 53:9 - He will be buried in a rich man's tomb - Matt. 27:57-60; Mark 15:42-46; Luke 23:50-53; John 19:38-42 - Jesus was buried in a rich man's tomb (the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea).

Isaiah 53:12 - He will make intercession for the transgressors - Luke 23:34,43 - Jesus made intercession for the transgressors on the cross.

Amos 8:9 - God will darken the earth at noon - Matt. 27:45; Mark 15:33; Luke 23:44-45 - there was darkness at noon at Jesus' crucifixion and death.

Jonah 1:17 - three nights and days in the belly of the whale foreshadows Jesus' death and rising on the third day.

Mic. 1:8 - He will lament and wail, and will go stripped and naked - John 19:23-24 - Jesus lamented and was stripped and naked.

Zech. 11:12-13 - He will be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver - Matt. 26:15 - Jesus was betrayed for 30 pieces of silver.

Zech. 11:13 - the pieces of silver are cast into God's house - Matt. 27:5 - Judas threw the pieces of silver into the Temple.

Zech. 12:10 - His side will be pierced - John 19:34, 37 - Jesus' side was pierced.

Zech. 13:7 - He will be forsaken by His disciples who will scatter - Matt. 26:31, Mark. 14:50 - Jesus' disciples forsook Him and scattered.

[point5]

thank you

on a side note for ironmonk... I took alot of the stuff from the peter Kreft text you gave me and used the design argument, and the Aquinas arguments, but he still seems to refute them...and I can go into greater depth...alot of it is what if stuff, but not to discredited as good critiques of the original arguments...I would be willing to forward you the email if you like it is not terribly long byu any means and maybey you could help...I am fairly new in the theistic arguments, for I have not needed a logical explanation for that which I know is true....nevertheless I am still interested in learning them!

Peace
-Kiel

[Katholikos]

[quote name='point5' date='Apr 29 2004, 09:25 PM'] thank you

on a side note for ironmonk... I took alot of the stuff from the peter Kreft text you gave me and used the design argument, and the Aquinas arguments, but he still seems to refute them...and I can go into greater depth...alot of it is what if stuff, but not to discredited as good critiques of the original arguments...I would be willing to forward you the email if you like it is not terribly long byu any means and maybey you could help...I am fairly new in the theistic arguments, for I have not needed a logical explanation for that which I know is true....nevertheless I am still interested in learning them!

Peace
-Kiel [/quote]
You might consider giving your brother a copy of [i]Mere Christianity[/i] by C. S. Lewis (after you have read it ) Little volume, lots of logic. Lewis was a former atheist.