scardella Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 (edited) Hi all, It's been a number of years since I've been on here, and I thought I might revisit it just to see what was up. Unfortunately, I see that what drove me off of here is still alive and well. The persistent anti-charismatic attitude is still present. I don't wish to debate it; I just wanted to let y'all know that it is off-putting and frankly offensive. It's a shame, really, because it sours for me what is otherwise a vibrant and compelling forum. Ciao, Scardella PS. If anyone has any suggestions for a similar but not anti-Charismatic forum, I may monitor this thread for a few days. Edited August 16, 2011 by Lil Red fixed an oops for scardella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 That's sad. I think I know the thread you're referring to and in my opinion it could use your voice. Maybe there just aren't many charismatics around here (at least vocal charismatics) so the discussion is seriously lopsided. Maybe someone who is well informed about it (you?) could respond properly and reveal how the critics are being less than fair or accurate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 I'm confused, you came here to flame us and then leave again? I am glad you came to visit again, but I find it offensive and off putting to insinuate that we are anti-Catholic. A message board is a lot like a Catholic parish, each one has a different personality, but that does not mean it is anti-Catholic. What makes us unique is we have a good number of non-Catholics, even atheists among us, and we debate and dialogue, usually respectfully, but we are human, and to err is human. Not everyone here is anti-charismatic - we have a lot of members who practice a charismatic spirituality. I am not charismatic but defend the renewal on a regular basis and take my teens to charismatic retreats. Sometimes threads on republicans, charismatics, and homosexuality can get aggravating if you are a regular at phatmass, but we learn and grow through it. A majority of us are level headed, faithful Catholics trying to live out the new evangalization through PM and we consider ourselves family for better or worse. We welcome anyone and everyone to our family as long as they are respectful and keep their feet off the furniture. Even though I profoundly disagree with some people here, and even though we quarrel at times I try to love everyone as Christ would want me to love them and I think most people here do the same. I hope you don't jump ship again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Flower Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 I have a question (sorry if this is dumb i spend most of my time on VS and not open mic) where are we being anti charismatic? I personally have nothing against charismatics or the charismatic movement. Its not my personal thing but theres absolutely nothing wrong with it. And this is not intended to be a negative attack or anything I am just curious. So please don't take this the wrong way. And maybe just a suggestion if there are a few anti charismatic threads you could just ignore them? There are always people who are going to hold opinions different than we do. I don't agree with the people who say that the only music we can have is chant, that the only Mass we should have is the Tridentine, so I just ignore those topics. Again, just a suggestion and not an attack, please don't take it the wrong way because we would love to have you back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Yeah, maybe we should gather some data to put this in perspective. It may be that there are merely a couple of critics who just happen to dominate the discussion. Saying that "phatmass" is anti-Catholic is probably unfair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scardella Posted August 16, 2011 Author Share Posted August 16, 2011 (edited) [s]Who said anything about anti-Catholic?[/s] edit: oops, I mis-typed up there; I meant anti-Charismatic in the PS. The thread: debate table, [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=114662"]http://www.phatmass....howtopic=114662[/url] I couldn't get past the first page. It's been a sore subject with me and the board before. [quote]I'm confused, you came here to flame us and then leave again? I am glad you came to visit again, but I find it offensive and off putting to insinuate that we are anti-Catholic.[/quote] It was not meant to be a flame or a rant, but more of a lament. I don't think they were being anti-Catholic, but anti-Charismatic. I apologize if it sounds like a flame or a rant; that was not its purpose. PS, if a mod could change that, my edit priveleges for the OP have expired. I'd really appreciate that. Edited August 16, 2011 by scardella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 [quote name='scardella' timestamp='1313523364' post='2289304'] [s]Who said anything about anti-Catholic?[/s] edit: oops, I mis-typed up there; I meant anti-Charismatic in the PS. The thread: debate table, [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=114662"]http://www.phatmass....howtopic=114662[/url] I couldn't get past the first page. [/quote] hmm... maybe you need to read more than the first page..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 scardella, I don't think there is a forum out there for you. ALL forum sites will have members that will post views/opinions/beliefs/etc. that are contrary to yours. Honestly, I wouldn't want to participate in a forum that ALL thought exactly like me. Granted they all would be absolutely spot-on brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 (edited) [quote name='scardella' timestamp='1313520458' post='2289261']Hi all, It's been a number of years since I've been on here, and I thought I might revisit it just to see what was up. Unfortunately, I see that what drove me off of here is still alive and well. The persistent anti-charismatic attitude is still present. I don't wish to debate it; I just wanted to let y'all know that it is off-putting and frankly offensive. It's a shame, really, because it sours for me what is otherwise a vibrant and compelling forum. Ciao, Scardella PS. If anyone has any suggestions for a similar but not anti-Catholic forum, I may monitor this thread for a few days.[/quote] because of a few people actually express their opinions, you won't stick around? what about helping to counter those arguments if you disagree with them? edit to add: i just wanted to add that it would be nice if voices like yours would come back and stick around, because i think they (you? lol) add a good dimension to the phorums. i'm not trying to sound, ummm, antagonistic in my response to you. apologies if i came off that way. Edited August 16, 2011 by Lil Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scardella Posted August 16, 2011 Author Share Posted August 16, 2011 I remember having a few real drag-out fights on here before regarding the topic, not just simple disagreements... It's something that the frustration,etc. was literally damaging my faith. It was enough to keep me from even visiting the site for several years. At the moment, I'm pretty skittish about showing back up at all, but I don't have any other forum that I've found interesting in regards to the faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 [quote name='scardella' timestamp='1313529183' post='2289347'] I remember having a few real drag-out fights on here before regarding the topic, not just simple disagreements... It's something that the frustration,etc. was literally damaging my faith. It was enough to keep me from even visiting the site for several years. At the moment, I'm pretty skittish about showing back up at all, but I don't have any other forum that I've found interesting in regards to the faith. [/quote] believe me, i understand the part about damaging faith - but don't throw the good out with the bad. you're good to have here, and i hope you will stick around, though i understand if you don't. in other news, how's life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faithcecelia Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 I sometimes feel like I spend 50% of my time defending traditional worship styles with charismatics and the other half defending charismatic worship styles with traditionalists! Ultimately, it doesn't matter which anyone prefers (I personally love them all!) what matters is that we all adore our Lord and Saviour, that we join together to partake in the Eucharist, and are obedient to Mother Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 [quote name='Brother Adam' timestamp='1313521591' post='2289270'] I'm confused, you came here to flame us and then leave again? [/quote] srsly I forgot that everyone was supposed to have the exact same opinionsre so we could all sit around hands folded, nodding, smiling, and patting each other on the back for having such enlightened attitudes. But if you are really interested in finding out what anti-charismatic is, I bet fisheaters or the forum formed of the contingent that split off from here not long ago would give you your money's worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice_nine Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Just put Winchester on ignore. This will solve the bulk of you problems. but on a serious note you should stick around! I personally don't know what "charismatic catholic" even means. I couldn't get much through that thread cause no one was giving it a definition or painting a picture of it for me. I know people say "there's books go read some" but with the thousands of things and ideas bombarding me in ADD fashion people who can describe something from a personal perspective is more salient to me, and that can open the door for lazy, distracted people like me to learn more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappo Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1313536684' post='2289429'] srsly I forgot that everyone was supposed to have the exact same opinionsre so we could all sit around hands folded, nodding, smiling, and patting each other on the back for having such enlightened attitudes. [b]But if you are really interested in finding out what anti-charismatic is, I bet fisheaters or the forum formed of the contingent that split off from here not long ago would give you your money's worth.[/b] [/quote] so true. That debate table thread is the first big charismatic vs. anti charismatic spoof i remember seeing in quite some time. A lot of the loud mouths on that topic, (myself included ), either decided to shut up or left. Edited August 17, 2011 by Slappo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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