IrishG8s Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 So the liberals seems to be changing the Catholic Church. I mean it's to the point were they kick out seminarians who are orthadox. I mean grant it being orthadox means following the teachings of the catholic church to the point. No if ands or buts about it. I mean honestly so many people take sin so lightly and are offended by getting long penances I mean I am so up for a well deserved penance. So I'm sorry if I offended anyone I had to vent and just wanted your imput. -IG- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 Liberals have been trying to change the church since it started. The gates are still holding up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friarMatt Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 i think we should use the term orthodox and progressive....some church teachings are liberal....work for peace and justice, economic polict etc....liberal is a political term...the church exists outside of political agendas but only the gospel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 I agree with friarmatt -- there is "orthodox" and "heterodox" Ideally "liberal" and "conservative" fit within the "orthodox" frame in terms of how doctrine is applied to living the faith... if that makes any sense. Everything else that isn't faithful to the church or obedient is heterodox. Okay, maybe I'm just talking in circles!!! I'm orthodox in that I am faithful to the magesterium. I would consider myself a moderate Catholic (of course within the definition of orthodoxy...) Some aspects of liberalism I find flaky and wishy washy, and some aspects of conservatism I find stuffy and scrupulous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 I am neither liberal or conservative, I am faithful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 I am Roman Catholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 I am a faithful Roman Catholic pro-life democrat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 If you all really want to get technical, Liberal means somehting vastly different if you are talking about people in the Church, politics, or Cardinal Newman . . . The oppostite of orthodox is heterodox The opposite of Conservative is progressive the opposite of Liberal is intelligent See, it's easy. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traichuoi Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 [quote name='BLAZEr' date='Apr 27 2004, 06:06 PM'] If you all really want to get technical, Liberal means somehting vastly different if you are talking about people in the Church, politics, or Cardinal Newman . . . The oppostite of orthodox is heterodox The opposite of Conservative is progressive the opposite of Liberal is intelligent See, it's easy. . . [/quote] lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 [quote name='BLAZEr' date='Apr 27 2004, 08:06 PM'] the opposite of Liberal is intelligent [/quote] Maybe, maybe. What about FDR, I mean don't take John Kerry (the liar) as an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP2Iloveyou Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 [quote name='IrishG8s' date='Apr 27 2004, 01:19 PM'] So the liberals seems to be changing the Catholic Church. I mean it's to the point were they kick out seminarians who are orthadox. I mean grant it being orthadox means following the teachings of the catholic church to the point. No if ands or buts about it. I mean honestly so many people take sin so lightly and are offended by getting long penances I mean I am so up for a well deserved penance. So I'm sorry if I offended anyone I had to vent and just wanted your imput. -IG- [/quote] That might have been true a few years ago, but I don't think it is really accurate today. Most of the problem (Arch)dioceses have gotten new bishops who are in line with the Church. A case in point is Archbishop Dolan in Milwaukee. I am familiar with seminarians from over 30 different dioceses and not one has ever been kicked out for being too orthodox. As a matter of fact, fidelity to the Holy Father and the Magisterium is praised. BTW, as most of you know, but for those who don't, I am a seminarian who considers himself VERY conservative liturgically , theologically, and politically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 IG -- I understand your frustrations, though I do think JP2Iloveyou has a good point and it's something that allows us to take heart. I've noticed, too, that in the last few years a lot of the orthodoxy has been springing up, especially in younger Catholics and converts to the faith. I especially love hearing about all the wonderful seminarians on this board who love their faith so much and are good, faithful priests-to-be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 [quote name='BLAZEr' date='Apr 27 2004, 07:06 PM'] the opposite of Liberal is intelligent [/quote] I'm so glad I didn't have coffee or pop in my mouth when I read that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 It was sneaky . . . lol, cuz it was totally serious up to there! Honestly, I do not understand the "liberal" mindset. I do not understand why government should be responsible for the poor. I'm responsible for the poor. You're responsible for them. The government, quite frankly screws up their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fewbutmany Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 Growing up I had always associated "liberal" with being negative and homosexuals, but that was just my ultra conservative mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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