Lil Red Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 [quote]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43972446/ns/health-health_care/ U.S. health insurance companies must offer women free birth control and other preventive health care services under Obama administration rules released on Monday, a historic decision supported by family planning groups and opposed by conservative groups.[/quote] any win for PP is a loss for the pro-life side. do people really think that making birth control pills more widely available will lessen the amount of abortions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo the Wanderer Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Figures. Drugs to induce a chemical abortion have no copay. My drugs to keep me awake so I don't take out myself and a family while driving at night have a $125 copay. yay govment. ppfffttt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissyP89 Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Because having children is obviously such a severe medical issue that we have to give away the drugs for free to insure it never happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlySunshine Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 (edited) Very sickening. Edited August 2, 2011 by MaterMisericordiae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StMichael Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 It is hard to figure out the thinking behind this. There are children who are stricken with life threatening allergies, etc. that need certain medications. These medications all come with a co-pay, some as high $300. But we all need to kick in for those who want to fool around and either prevent a pregnancy or abort one. Just don't get it. This must be a huge constituency or a very vocal one, shouting down the majority, as this seems to be out of bounds of anything our constitution would allow. Then again, all those in DC who have sworn atop a Bible to uphold the Constitution seem intent on destroying it. Very sickening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcts Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Well dang. If I wanted to take meds that would help me sleep around without getting pregnant, I could get it for free. The meds I use to be able to concentrate enough to work or take notes it class, however, I have to pay 75 dollars a month for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeology cat Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1312234290' post='2279933'] any win for PP is a loss for the pro-life side. do people really think that making birth control pills more widely available will lessen the amount of abortions? [/quote] Exactly. Even Guttmacher's stats show that over half of the women who get abortions were using birth control, if I remember correctly. I didn't even have this in mind when I was [url="http://archaeologycatmusings.blogspot.com/2011/08/unprotected.html"]writing[/url] yesterday, but seems the timing was apt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlySunshine Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 (edited) [quote name='mcts' timestamp='1312267907' post='2280207'] Well dang. If I wanted to take meds that would help me sleep around without getting pregnant, I could get it for free. The meds I use to be able to concentrate enough to work or take notes it class, however, I have to pay 75 dollars a month for. [/quote] Yeah, the meds I have to take for depression cost $5. The anxiety medication costs $5. My asthma medication, the biggest cost, is $50 so I can breathe. But, yeah, let's make it so the people have freedom to sleep around without the consequences and not have to pay anything. Edited August 2, 2011 by MaterMisericordiae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cherie Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 This makes me so angry. Making it free isn't going to do a DARN thing about "drastically reducing the number of abortions" (as Jemhu Greene stated on a Fox News debate earlier today). As pointed out, most of these unplanned pregnancies are in women who were on birth control already. They just forget to take their pill ... so making it FREE (while right now it's still a very CHEAP medication) is somehow magically going to make them remember to take their pills? Stupidity. Absolute and utter stupidity. That debate on Fox News made me LIVID. Jemhu Greene, in defense of this law, basically said, "Most Catholic women are using birth control ... so don't throw your outdated idealism at me." You know what? It's true, most Catholic women are. And it's WRONG. THE CHURCH CATEGORICALLY CONDEMNS ARTIFICIAL BIRTH CONTROL! Therefore, absolutely NO CATHOLIC WOMAN should be using it!!!!!!!!!! (And if Catholics are on it for health reasons, btw, which isn't sinful, it's not considered "birth control", it's considered "medication to help with [insert ailment here]" ... though I'd strongly suggest asking a second opinion, because there are other medications that could work better and have safer side effects. It's rare that birth control is absolutely medically necessary to treat a non-birth-control related ailment.) Ugh this makes me so mad. Nowadays it's the "weird," "unhealthy" thing to save sex for marriage. How twisted. We drastically need to change society's outlook on that - look at the stats for STDs, psychological/emotional harm from sleeping around, divorce rates for those who cohabitate ... and people think it's "weird" to save sex for marriage?!?! A lot of us blame the sexual revolution -- I blame artificial contraception. The sexual revolution wouldn't have happened without contraception, and that's the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixpence Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 this came up with a few lady friends at lab... of course the other two were agnostic ecology dept feminist liberal types.. and then me.. and I absolutely failed at defending the Church's stance... cause I'm a freaking coward sometimes... ...at least I could have helped them understand our views better. *sigh* ... praying that I'll have more guts next time it comes up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Well it sounds like oboma is going to force insurance companies to pay the complete cost of contraceptives. Unbelievable. [url="http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/08/01/free.birth.control/index.html?iref=allsearch"]http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/08/01/free.birth.control/index.html?iref=allsearch[/url] What is even more unbelievable are the rationalizations of the posters below the artice. Just incredible the worldly thinking. "None seek God, no not one". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 What floors me in the discussion is that people see children only as a burden on the economy. They should look at Japan which now pays people to have babies, 3400 dollars. Economies cant function well without a young workforce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeresaBenedicta Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 This is beyond ridiculous. That's about all I have to contribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted August 2, 2011 Author Share Posted August 2, 2011 merged threads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fides' Jack Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Sometimes Obama can be very stupid. If I were an insurance company, I would not comply. Nor would I give any reimbursement for birth control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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