Laudate_Dominum Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 [quote name='MissScripture' timestamp='1311912024' post='2277931'] Yeah, I've been to WYD. And the thing is, you don't really see or hear that much about the anti-Catholics while you're there, minus possibly running into them outside the events, but typically you're with like 50 other Catholics, and they are vastly outnumbered. And you're surrounded by so many Catholics being POSITIVE and JOYFUL that the anti-Catholics outside of the event aren't that noticeable. To have someone like Micheal Voris come INTO the event and be a cranky pantaloons would not be a positive influence. Honestly, he doesn't inspire much hope. Sorry. [/quote] I don't care for him myself but I know quite a few people on teh interwebs and in RL who seem to be edified by his vids. Not saying I think he should have any special status beyond what other random ministries like Catholic Answers get, but it's not like he's heretical or way over the top. I dunno...P.S. Disclaimer: Maybe I don't know the whole story and there are reasons for disliking Voris that I'm unaware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' timestamp='1311938130' post='2278027'] I don't care for him myself but I know quite a few people on teh interwebs and in RL who seem to be edified by his vids. Not saying I think he should have any special status beyond what other random ministries like Catholic Answers get, but it's not like he's heretical or way over the top. I dunno... P.S. Disclaimer: Maybe I don't know the whole story and there are reasons for disliking Voris that I'm unaware of. [/quote] I don't have any real dislike for Voris (although I lost a ton of respect when I learned his policy on commenting to his videos). But I would compare it to if a city was celebrating its 100th anniversary and one of the townsfolk who loves to talk about any corruption there's been in city hall over the past 50 years wants a booth. He may not be wrong but that doesn't mean it's the right time and place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 (edited) [quote name='jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff) (the artist formerly known as hot stuff) (the artist formerly known as hot stuff)' timestamp='1311950114' post='2278085'] I don't have any real dislike for Voris (although I lost a ton of respect when I learned his policy on commenting to his videos). But I would compare it to if a city was celebrating its 100th anniversary and one of the townsfolk who loves to talk about any corruption there's been in city hall over the past 50 years wants a booth. He may not be wrong but that doesn't mean it's the right time and place. [/quote] I don't know enough about Voris and his intentions to comment on that with confidence but comparing WYD to a 100th anniversary celebration and Voris to a heckler seems quite melodramatic. I wonder if that isn't a bit slanderous (the WYD denunciation strikes me as slightly gratuitous and potentially slanderous as well). Sure, I wouldn't expect him to get WYD sponsorship, but a heckler at an anniversary event? Even considering that the theme of his "No Bull In Madrid" campaign is pop culture, sex, purity, porn, and the like? I don't understand why people get so reactionary about Voris (the many "Likes" on your derogatory analogy are evidence). I suppose he's pretty bombastic. Maybe he's just too conservative for the mainstream? For the record I don't claim any expertise; I've watched several vids and that's the extent of my knowledge. Edited August 1, 2011 by Laudate_Dominum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Or perhaps the likes on my post reflect that the analogy is pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amppax Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 (edited) It seems to me from what I've seen of Voris is that he is very similar to Glen Beck. I don't like Glen Beck, I don't like Voris. Even though I agree with some of the points that both make, its their style that I really dislike. Edited August 1, 2011 by Amppax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 [quote name='jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff)' timestamp='1312223357' post='2279791'] Or perhaps the likes on my post reflect that the analogy is pretty good. [/quote] Too bad for you that truth isn't subjective and decided by popular vote. If his WYD event was suggestive of heckling or whatever I might agree with you but what I see is a lot of prejudice towards the guy without much compelling justification. I admit that I've only watched a few of the dude's vids and you all may know much more about him--I'm open to seeing your pov. Appealing to the masses is not a valid argument. I see a guy who is about as abrasive as Mark Shea (although he seems more conservative than Shea) who is popularly singled out as some kind of misfit. If I'm missing something please enlighten me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 [quote name='Amppax' timestamp='1312224777' post='2279821'] It seems to me from what I've seen of Voris is that he is very similar to Glen Beck. I don't like Glen Beck, I don't like Voris. Even though I agree with some of the points that both make, its their style that I really dislike. [/quote] Very similar to Glenn Beck? How so exactly? The first difference that comes to mind for me is that Glenn Beck is some kind of political entertainer whereas Voris is a Roman Catholic evangelist. In what meaningful sense is Voris similar to Beck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 I guess the ministry that Voris heads does not have diocesan approval so that's something that legitimately separates it from something like Catholic Answers. That seems like a perfectly legitimate reason to deny him WYD sponsorship. No need to attack the man's character or smear his apostolate. Maybe he'll have approval in the future or from a more conservative bishop. He's not heretical or anything, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' timestamp='1312225219' post='2279828'] Too bad for you that truth isn't subjective and decided by popular vote. If his WYD event was suggestive of heckling or whatever I might agree with you but what I see is a lot of prejudice towards the guy without much compelling justification. I admit that I've only watched a few of the dude's vids and you all may know much more about him--I'm open to seeing your pov. Appealing to the masses is not a valid argument. I see a guy who is about as abrasive as Mark Shea (although he seems more conservative than Shea) who is popularly singled out as some kind of misfit. If I'm missing something please enlighten me. [/quote] You're reading more into my analogy than is there. The analogy doesn't suggest that the town malcontent wants a booth to complain about the town. He just wants a booth. Whatever Voris wants to talk about at WYD, he's been harsh on bishops and critical of the USCCB. Whether he's correct in his assessment or not is irrelevant. Whether he wants to talk about sex, bunny rabbits, or dental floss is irrelevant as well. He's not an official presenter at WYD and they have every right to point it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 [quote name='jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff)' timestamp='1312225903' post='2279837'] You're reading more into my analogy than is there. The analogy doesn't suggest that the town malcontent wants a booth to complain about the town. He just wants a booth. Whatever Voris wants to talk about at WYD, he's been harsh on bishops and critical of the USCCB. Whether he's correct in his assessment or not is irrelevant. Whether he wants to talk about sex, bunny rabbits, or dental floss is irrelevant as well. [/quote] I don't see Voris as a town malcontent. I was originally thinking that this might be an irresolvable difference of opinion between us but it sounds like there are some antics of his that I'm not familiar with (e.g., speaking against bishops). I'll defer to your judgment tentatively and do some google surfing on the guy later if I have time. If you're bored concrete examples of town malcontent behavior would be welcome. [quote name='jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff)' timestamp='1312225903' post='2279837']He's not an official presenter at WYD and they have every right to point it out.[/quote] I agree. Voris himself makes it clear on his site that his WYD thing is completely unofficial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithLuin Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 (edited) [quote name='thessalonian' timestamp='1311876190' post='2277614'] He has every right to be there. Someone high up obviously does not like him. [/quote] Of course he has every right to be there. I'll be there, too. However, one of the events of World Youth Day is 'catechesis sessions' in the mornings. These are official events planned by WYD in several languages...and endorsed by the bishops. I heard Cardinal Arinze speak one morning at our catechetical session in Cologne, for instance. So, while it is not true that only bishops can be speakers at these things, it *is* true that they are planned by bishops and dioceses and such...not private individuals. So, if Mr. Voris would like to speak at one of the catechetical sessions, he would have to contact a group that is planning one and be invited to speak. Apparently, that did not happen. So, he's holding his own private event in Madrid at the same time as WYD and calling it a 'catechetical session' - people are allowed to call him on that, and point out that he's not part of the official schedule of events. That being said, lots of groups have their own private group meetings to coincide with World Youth Day, and plenty of the pilgrimage groups have private masses/talks/etc during their time in Madrid. There's nothing [i]wrong[/i] with doing that (in fact, the scale of the event encourages that), but it is good to be clear on what is official and what is unofficial, so if anyone tries to blur that line...they may be called on it. Edited August 15, 2011 by MithLuin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 [quote name='MithLuin' timestamp='1313385786' post='2288195'] Of course he has every right to be there. I'll be there, too. However, one of the events of World Youth Day is 'catechesis sessions' in the mornings. These are official events planned by WYD in several languages...and endorsed by the bishops. I heard Cardinal Arinze speak one morning at our catechetical session in Cologne, for instance. So, while it is not true that only bishops can be speakers at these things, it *is* true that they are planned by bishops and dioceses and such...not private individuals. So, if Mr. Voris would like to speak at one of the catechetical sessions, he would have to contact a group that is planning one and be invited to speak. Apparently, that did not happen. So, he's holding his own private event in Madrid at the same time as WYD and calling it a 'catechetical session' - people are allowed to call him on that, and point out that he's not part of the official schedule of events. That being said, lots of groups have their own private group meetings to coincide with World Youth Day, and plenty of the pilgrimage groups have private masses/talks/etc during their time in Madrid. There's nothing [i]wrong[/i] with doing that (in fact, the scale of the event encourages that), but it is good to be clear on what is official and what is unofficial, so if anyone tries to blur that line...they may be called on it. [/quote] good post. good to see you! where you been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithLuin Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 I was away for a month, in training to be a missionary abroad. So, I'll be headed to Ethiopia in January to teach, with the Salesians But tomorrow, I'm headed to Spain!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 woot! travel safe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 [quote name='MithLuin' timestamp='1313389190' post='2288233'] I was away for a month, in training to be a missionary abroad. So, I'll be headed to Ethiopia in January to teach, with the Salesians But tomorrow, I'm headed to Spain!!! [/quote] So cool! I've been on a recent Ethiopia kick so I'm jealous. What an opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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