Question For You Guys (About Female Pastors)

[Seven77]

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1311978572' post='2278298']

You can participate in so much as attending, listening and joining in prayers that line up with Catholic teaching (if it's a Christian service), but you don't do more than that, and you have to also attend mass on Sunday. There's nothing wrong with attending something like...oh, I don't know...Muslim Friday services, as long as you follow those parameters. It doesn't make much sense for the Church to allow other Christians to come to mass so as to pray for Christian Unity and non-Christians to pray for peace, while completely barring us from going to their services and do the same thing.
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that's very helpful... thanks

[HopefulBride]

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1311978572' post='2278298']

You can participate in so much as attending, listening and joining in prayers that line up with Catholic teaching (if it's a Christian service), but you don't do more than that, and you have to also attend mass on Sunday. There's nothing wrong with attending something like...oh, I don't know...Muslim Friday services, as long as you follow those parameters. It doesn't make much sense for the Church to allow other Christians to come to mass so as to pray for Christian Unity and non-Christians to pray for peace, while completely barring us from going to their services and do the same thing.
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Thanks. So I am going to go, but will basically be an observer.

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='fides' Jack' timestamp='1311977492' post='2278288']

I think you're right. I think it's canon law that Catholics can't participate in non-Catholic services.
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Yep that is true, by attending you are exhibiting a communion which we do not share with them.

ed

[Maggyie]

[quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1312119535' post='2278974']

Yep that is true, by attending you are exhibiting a communion which we do not share with them.

ed
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I don't believe this is true. Can you cite the relevant canon please?

[regina_coeli]

Isn't attending or observing different than "participating"? I have never heard there is a problem with attending a non Catholic wedding or funeral, for example.

[CatherineM]

You can attend, but you can not receive communion.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote]So, Venerable Brethren, it is clear why this Apostolic See has never allowed its subjects to take part in the assemblies of non-Catholics: for the union of Christians can only be promoted by promoting the return to the one true Church of Christ of those who are separated from it, for in the past they have unhappily left it.[/quote]
[i]Mortalium Animos, [/i]Encyclical of Pope Pius XI.
[url="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_19280106_mortalium-animos_en.html"]http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_19280106_mortalium-animos_en.html[/url]

Edited July 31, 2011 by USAirwaysIHS

[Maggyie]

I believe the current relevant discipline is quoted verbatim below:

[quote][font=arial][size=2]There is no ban against a Catholic attending a Protestant service, although a Catholic may not receive "communion" if made available. This is largely a consequence of the invalid ordination of ministers attempting to confect the Sacrament. Canon 844 of the Code of Canon Law says that Catholic members of the Christian faithful may receive sacraments only from Catholic ministers. Further, the Catechism of the Catholic Church explains that there can be no "Eucharistic intercommunion" between the Church and Protestant communities (no. 1400).[/size][/font]

[font=arial][size=2]Participation in common prayer without taking part in a communion rite is an act of true ecumenism—promoting unity without denying the truths of the one true faith—and should not likely be a cause of scandal. The Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, in its 1993 [i]Directory for the Application of Principles and Norms on Ecumenism[/i], encourages such participation:[/size][/font]

[i][font=arial][size=2]In liturgical celebrations taking place in other churches and ecclesial communities, Catholics are encouraged to take part in the psalms, responses, hymns and common actions of the church in which they are guests. If invited by their hosts, they may read a lesson or preach (no. 118).[/size][/font][/i]

[font=arial][size=2]However, the Catholic must not think of the worship service as an addition or substitution for Mass. It is important that the Catholic does not give the impression that there is no real separation between Catholics and Protestants. Protestant services must not be attended in order for the Catholic to experience "feelings" of fellowship or closeness to God.[/size][/font]
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[url="http://www.cuf.org/Faithfacts/details_view.asp?ffID=225"]Catholics United for the Faith[/url]

I'm sure the Pontifical Council knows what it's doing! Hopefully that clears THAT up.

ETA: link
ETA#2: Primary source document straight from the Vatican: [url="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/general-docs/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_19930325_directory_en.html"]http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/general-docs/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_19930325_directory_en.html[/url]

Edited July 31, 2011 by Maggie

[Vincent Vega]

Sounds good to me.

The only think that made me say "hmm" was this "[i][font=arial][size=2]If invited by their hosts, they may read a lesson or preach".[/size][/font][/i]

[font="arial"][size="1"][size=4]Um...we can/could/should/may preach in a protestant service? That seems a little fishy to me. I know it's from the Vatican document, but even still.[/size][/size][/font]

[Maggyie]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1312151713' post='2279377']
Sounds good to me.

The only think that made me say "hmm" was this "[i][font=arial][size=2]If invited by their hosts, they may read a lesson or preach".[/size][/font][/i]

[font=arial][size=1][size=4]Um...we can/could/should/may preach in a protestant service? That seems a little fishy to me. I know it's from the Vatican document, but even still.[/size][/size][/font]
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I know, weird right? That doesn't sound right to me either. But I guess maybe that's because hardly anybody ever takes advantage of the permission. I mean I don't know too many Catholics being invited to preach at Protestant services. So maybe that's why it sounds weird.