What My Band Is Playing At Mass This Sunday

[missionseeker]

Did you?

[dUSt]

Yes. I guess I'm confused as to what you are trying to say? You posted a document that reaffirms everything I was saying, as if you were trying to disagree with me or something.

I suppose I just need clarification on what you are saying?

[missionseeker]

While yes, jurisdiction is given to local bishops, there still guidelines that say way more than just Gregorian chant has pride of place. I wasn't really disagreeing with what you said until you said that the only thing the Church says is Gregorian chant has pride of place. the GIRM has a bunch more. I mean, it's out there. Gregorian chant is not the only ype of music that is acceptable. But there is a limit to what is acceptable. i don't know why people are either one or the other. and I don't know why people say that there are no answers.

[Vincent Vega]

[size=4][quote name='ThePenciledOne' timestamp='1311874412' post='2277593'][/size]
[size=4]I hate Mass music snobbery, so the few individuals after just scanning this page, who are being sarcastic or judgemental please stop.[/size]
[size=4][/quote][/size]
[size=4]Let's play a little mad-libs with this.[/size]
[size=4]I hate Pro-Choice snobbery. [/size]
[size=4]I hate anti-Gay Marriage snobbery.[/size]
[size=4]I hate when people tell me that missing Mass is a sin...snobbery.[/size]

[size=4]The common theme is that people will use snobbery/-phobia/bigotry/whatever derogatory term to try and make it seem like those in disagreement with them are being closed-minded, when in reality the speaker is trying to justify holding his personal (flawed) opinion above the Church's teaching.[/size]

[size=4]Although some of those with traditional leanings who have contributed to this forum in the recent past were severely lacking in their ability to interact civilly with other individuals, they were right about some things, namely sacred music.[/size]

[size=4]The Church teaches (not suggests) the following:[/size]
[size=4]-Gregorian chant is to be given pride of place ([i]Sacrosanctum Concillium, [/i]Paragraph 116)[/size]
-The organ is to be held in high esteem (how many parishes even have an organ nowadays? Not a Casio, a big boy organ.) (Ibid, Para. 120)
-While in other parts of the worlds, "especially mission lands", it is acceptable to incorporate their instruments and musical traditions, it is imperative that these "be made suitable...[for] the dignity of the Temple".[sup]1[/sup] (Ibid, Paragraphs 119 and 120)
-Pianos and drums and other "frivolous instruments" (which would include Electric Guitar) are [u]forbidden[/u]. ([i][color=#02423b]Tra le Sollecitudini, [/color][/i][color=#02423b]§6, Paragraph 19)[/color]
[color=#02423b]-[u][b]Bands are forbidden[/b][/u], except in "special cases [and] with the consent of the Oridinary". Even in this circumstance, it is only permissible to admit wind instruments, and those which play music in "grave and suitable style". (Ibid, Paragraph 20)[/color]

Like it or not, this is what the Church teaches. It's a hard pill to swallow for many, including myself when I first was introduced to these guidelines, but many things about Christianity are not easy to accept. It's where the whole obedience thing comes into play.

[size=2][sup]1[/sup]An example of this, in my opinion, could be seen the following video. (Forgive that it is an Orthodox and not a Catholic example.)[/size]
[size=2][color=#02423b]<iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/KGXxDq-snR8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>[/color][/size]
[size=2][color=#02423b]Although they clap, and use a drum and a masenqo - which would forbidden in our musical culture - it is apparently in line with reverence in their own musical culture as evidenced by the fact that it does not take on the air of entertainment or novelty (the rather austere setting and multiple recording devices nonwithstanding).[/color][/size]
[size=2][color=#02423b]Also note how all the women have their heads covered. [/color][/size]

Edited July 28, 2011 by USAirwaysIHS

[Papist]

[quote name='missionseeker' timestamp='1311883595' post='2277680']
The Church has decided and drawn the lines. It is up to us to educate ourselves about them.

Music at Mass is not about us. It's about the Mass. It's not about preparation/assisting/or even participating. It's about the Mass. And if the Church has set guidelines, who are we to decide otherwise? I'm not the biggest fan of chant, always. I get bored when I can't understand it, and when it's repetitive. That's my problem. Not the music director's, and it's not cuz something's wrong with the Mass. It's because I am a fallen human and some things I like and some things I don't and most the time I can't concentrate. I shouldn't be catered to at Mass.
[/quote]
Are you refuting me here? What you are saying is my point. Music in Mass should be designed for all, not catered to a specific group. Personally, I think chant accomplishes that best.

[missionseeker]

Do I just come off as defensive or something?


I wasn't refuting anything except that the only guideling is the pride of place one.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1311890268' post='2277759']
[size=2][sup]1[/sup]An example of this, in my opinion, could be seen the following video. (Forgive that it is an Orthodox and not a Catholic example.)[/size]
[/quote]
BTW I had also intended to give an example from the same folks of music that is NOT okay for Mass (and surprisingly, they seem to be able to get the difference between Christian music that is okay to use in the Liturgy and that which is not. Wonder why they're so lucky as to be able to delineate), but I forgot. So here it is now:
<iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/01ku-5DPm6k" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Note the difference between the two songs (instrumentation, stylistic elements, general "demeanor").

Edited July 29, 2011 by USAirwaysIHS

[mortify]

USAirway,

You can't use the practice of a different rite as a precident in the Latin Rite. We Romans have our own culture and tradition. I dont see why it's so hard to stick with it. It's like we're the low self esteem kid trying to fit in with everyone else.

And btw, who's to say the video of the above isn't a demonstration of liturgical abuse in another right

Oh... and one more thing... string instruments existed in OT times, were they ever used in the divinely ordained Jewish liturgy? Some food for thought.


Peace

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='mortify' timestamp='1311921061' post='2277989']
USAirway,

You can't use the practice of a different rite as a precident in the Latin Rite. We Romans have our own culture and tradition. I dont see why it's so hard to stick with it. It's like we're the low self esteem kid trying to fit in with everyone else.
[/quote]
Sorry, what now? Surely you didn't get that I was arguing anything contrary to that from what I said above...

Edited July 29, 2011 by USAirwaysIHS

[Little Flower]

Well our Mass went really well. The music DID aid the peoples' worship. more people than ive ever seen/heard before sang - so many people that there were times I couldn't hear my own voice (i was one of the singers and i had a mic) and almost nobody left Mass early (thats unusual at our parish). and the drums were not loud and the guitars were played reverently.

and btw our church does have an organ.

[Nihil Obstat]

I agree with Missionseeker, USAirways, et al.. Out of all the songs in that set list, I especially have a [i]huge[/i] problem with Canedo's Alleluia.

[Noel's angel]

[quote name='Little Flower' timestamp='1312378767' post='2280812']
Well our Mass went really well. The music DID aid the peoples' worship. more people than ive ever seen/heard before sang - so many people that there were times I couldn't hear my own voice (i was one of the singers and i had a mic) and almost nobody left Mass early (thats unusual at our parish). and the drums were not loud and the guitars were played reverently.

and btw our church does have an organ.
[/quote]

I don't mean to sound rude or uncharitable, but regardless of how well the drums were played, it was still wrong to have them there.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Noel's angel' timestamp='1312407155' post='2281040']

I don't mean to sound rude or uncharitable, but regardless of how well the drums were played, it was still wrong to have them there.
[/quote]
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[BG45]

I personally like Christ be our Light and My All in All. I really don't see a problem with the latter in Mass at all personally. It's one of the most prayerful P&W songs I know of, and I've found myself quietly singing it in Adoration before as a prayer.

Although, Blessed Be the Name of the Lord...I'm sorry, but for a decade I've heard that song so many times on K-Love and back when I was a Baptist. I still think of Wicca every time it plays due to the "Blessed be". The Canedo Alleluia and Mass of the Joyful Heart make me cringe for other reasons and would be definite distractions to me in worship and prayer.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1312386244' post='2280871']
I agree with Missionseeker, USAirways, et al.. Out of all the songs in that set list, I especially have a [i]huge[/i] problem with Canedo's Alleluia.
[/quote]
sorry, could you link me to a video? i don't know differences in 'alleluia's