Guest Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 (edited) So I'm freaking really fed up right now. One of my good friends was raised mormon. A really good person. Kind to everyone. She was baptised in the mormon church. She doesn't practice anymore but considers herself christian and insist mormons are christians and thinks her baptism was good. I've tried to point out the trinity to her and some of the other doctrinal stuff. She doesn't want to hear it and if I push to hard it just leads to anger. This girl is 100 times a better person then I could ever be. Yet from everything I know she isn't christian and she doesn't have the grace from baptism. Even though she thinks she's baptised. This just doesn't seem right. It just makes me hate religion all together. It just seems like some big game where people are hurt and killed and everything else bad. I'm just fed up. As far as with her I'm at the point where I think I should just give up and keep my mouth shut. But I want her to be sealed by God. I want that grace on her life. She deserves it and honestly I think God should consider her baptised cause she believes she is. She believes in Him. Its just all so frustrating. Edited July 25, 2011 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 I understand... I really, really do. Take a break from discussions with her and just pray: for her, for yourself... for all of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 [quote name='homeschoolmom' timestamp='1311609362' post='2275558'] I understand... I really, really do. Take a break from discussions with her and just pray: for her, for yourself... for all of us. [/quote] Ok thanks I will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 (edited) I'm really tempted to just pour water on her one day and baptise her. At least then she'll be sealed by God and receive the grace from baptism. Ya she would be mad at me for awhile but she would get over it. What's really weird is for the longest time I kept having thoughts of pouring water on her and what her reaction would be. I could never understand why I had these thoughts and what they meant. But now I'm starting to think mabey its cause I really should baptise her. Edited July 25, 2011 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 She'd have to desire the baptism for it to be valid. Don't get frustrated for not being able to accomplish the job of the Holy Spirit. Just be patient and wait for opportunities to discuss being a Christian. Be prepared for such discussions[1 Peter 3:15]. And prey for such opportunities and leave every thing else in the hands of the Holy Spirit. Keep in mind it is not time that is important, but eternity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissyP89 Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 God knows the hearts and intentions of everyone. Take a deep breath and trust that He'll take care of her. Just be a good friend and a Christian presence. The rest will come in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 [quote name='Papist' timestamp='1311612145' post='2275608'] She'd have to desire the baptism for it to be valid. Don't get frustrated for not being able to accomplish the job of the Holy Spirit. Just be patient and wait for opportunities to discuss being a Christian. Be prepared for such discussions[1 Peter 3:15]. And prey for such opportunities and leave every thing else in the hands of the Holy Spirit. Keep in mind it is not time that is important, but eternity. [/quote] Ok good advice. Thank you. Godbless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 [quote name='MissyP89' timestamp='1311614491' post='2275674'] God knows the hearts and intentions of everyone. Take a deep breath and trust that He'll take care of her. Just be a good friend and a Christian presence. The rest will come in time. [/quote] Hi Missy Godbless. So what does this mean to you then ? I would take it as God would know she's a nice girl and the fact she thinks she's baptised and that would be good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrestia Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 I so completely understand that feeling. Pushing will only push her away; people need to be lead not pushed - and they must choose to follow. Trust God. He knows better than you what she needs - when you pray, also ask the Holy Spirit to give you the words that she needs to hear. If you don't receive words from the Holy Spirit, it probably means you should keep your mouth shut about it for now. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 [quote name='Adrestia' timestamp='1311614937' post='2275697'] I so completely understand that feeling. Pushing will only push her away; people need to be lead not pushed - and they must choose to follow. Trust God. He knows better than you what she needs - when you pray, also ask the Holy Spirit to give you the words that she needs to hear. If you don't receive words from the Holy Spirit, it probably means you should keep your mouth shut about it for now. Good luck. [/quote] Ya I'm not overly pushy. I try to point out the big stuff. The trinity. The fact that mormons teach that God the Father was born and that Jesus and satan were brothers. That's big. But honestly it just doesn't register with her. And even talking about catholicism with her is a deadend. She has no interest in religion. And you know sometimes I don't blame her. Thanks to phatmass I've learned the truth and I see the importance of the catholic religion and how it can be traced back and be prooven. But that's by the huge GRACE of God. And its been a struggle for me. There is so much about religion that just makes me sick. All of the killing and everything. And then on top of that its done in Gods name. And the catholic religion is not blameless when it comes to this. Its just really sad sometimes and very confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 I empathize with you, and I think your heart's in the right place, your intentions are good. But it has to be her decision, and it has to happen in her own (or God's) good time, not yours. When she does get baptized, she won't just receive a shot of some really good grace. She'll be joining the Catholic community/communion, accepting our theology, agreeing to live by the tenets of our faith. It's not something you can do TO her. So take all of the advice already posted - take a breath, stay in touch with her & discuss [i]if she wants to[/i], be a Catholic presence to her, pray for her. If she ever asks you to be her RCIA sponsor, accept her invitation happily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debra Little Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 [quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1311609153' post='2275556'] So I'm freaking really fed up right now. One of my good friends was raised mormon. A really good person. Kind to everyone. She was baptised in the mormon church. She doesn't practice anymore but considers herself christian and insist mormons are christians and thinks her baptism was good. I've tried to point out the trinity to her and some of the other doctrinal stuff. She doesn't want to hear it and if I push to hard it just leads to anger. This girl is 100 times a better person then I could ever be. Yet from everything I know she isn't christian and she doesn't have the grace from baptism. Even though she thinks she's baptised. This just doesn't seem right. It just makes me hate religion all together. It just seems like some big game where people are hurt and killed and everything else bad. I'm just fed up. As far as with her I'm at the point where I think I should just give up and keep my mouth shut. But I want her to be sealed by God. I want that grace on her life. She deserves it and honestly I think God should consider her baptised cause she believes she is. She believes in Him. Its just all so frustrating. [/quote] let her be what she wants to be. it's no one else's business. and with the way Christians act who can blame anyone for not wanting to be one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 [quote name='Luigi' timestamp='1311619097' post='2275763'] I empathize with you, and I think your heart's in the right place, your intentions are good. But it has to be her decision, and it has to happen in her own (or God's) good time, not yours. When she does get baptized, she won't just receive a shot of some really good grace. She'll be joining the Catholic community/communion, accepting our theology, agreeing to live by the tenets of our faith. It's not something you can do TO her. So take all of the advice already posted - take a breath, stay in touch with her & discuss [i]if she wants to[/i], be a Catholic presence to her, pray for her. If she ever asks you to be her RCIA sponsor, accept her invitation happily. [/quote] See this is where we don't see eye to eye. I just want her to get baptised. She doesn't need to become catholic. A christian baptism from a non denominational pastor is fine with me. There is a huge grace from baptism and one is sealed by God. Rcia takes a year. Its not practical in some peoples cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 [quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1311620814' post='2275787'] See this is where we don't see eye to eye. I just want her to get baptised. She doesn't need to become catholic. A christian baptism from a non denominational pastor is fine with me. There is a huge grace from baptism and one is sealed by God. Rcia takes a year. Its not practical in some peoples cases. [/quote] AH! I didn't understand that you are after a general baptism. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 [quote name='Debra Little' timestamp='1311620158' post='2275776'] let her be what she wants to be. it's no one else's business. and with the way Christians act who can blame anyone for not wanting to be one? [/quote] She thinks she's christian she's confused. She grew up in a stupid religion. She thinks she's baptised. Its all messed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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