StMichael Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Right wing? Domestic terrorists are usually of the socialist wing. The Weather Underground wanted to demolish America and make it a socialist country. The Unabomber wanted an end to our "industrial-technological system." We do not have enough information to begin to accuse the "right" of anything until we find out who this evil person was, which wanted to exact absolute disruption on a country by murdering its children. As for Timothy McVeigh he "wanted to become a mercenary for the Middle East because they paid the most.", as he stated to a military buddy during Operation Desert Storm. Hardly American Right Wing if this book can be believed (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0785261036/wwwpostalworkers). Jared Lee Loughner, also out of the gate as a "right winger" was actually anti-Christian, anti-Constitution, left-wing, pro-Marx, antiflag, “quite liberal” lunatic (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/01/shooter-jarod-laughner/) Acts of domestic terrorism are always performed by anyone but the right wing. [quote name='CatherineM' timestamp='1311397629' post='2274203'] It sounds like the guy is a Norwegian Tim McVey. Not Al Q, not a Libyan hardliner, a homegrown right wing extremist. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 (edited) What does "right wing" mean exactly, in this context? When I hear that term I think of the republican party, George W. Bush, and various cliche positions on various popular political and social issues. How does this apply to Norway? Are there radical left wingers whose ideology moves them to acts of terrorism? I don't pay much attention to politics. Also, does anyone have sources that present reliable information about the Norway person's intentions and motives? edit: typo Edited July 23, 2011 by Laudate_Dominum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 [quote name='StMichael' timestamp='1311405911' post='2274260'] Acts of domestic terrorism are always performed by anyone but the right wing. [/quote] Well at least we aren't making sweeping generalizations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 next we are gonna hear how organizations like the KKK are secretly politically and socially liberal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 [quote name='StMichael' timestamp='1311405911' post='2274260'] Right wing? Domestic terrorists are usually of the socialist wing. The Weather Underground wanted to demolish America and make it a socialist country. The Unabomber wanted an end to our "industrial-technological system." We do not have enough information to begin to accuse the "right" of anything until we find out who this evil person was, which wanted to exact absolute disruption on a country by murdering its children. As for Timothy McVeigh he "wanted to become a mercenary for the Middle East because they paid the most.", as he stated to a military buddy during Operation Desert Storm. Hardly American Right Wing if this book can be believed ([url="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0785261036/wwwpostalworkers"]http://www.amazon.co...wwpostalworkers[/url]). Jared Lee Loughner, also out of the gate as a "right winger" was actually anti-Christian, anti-Constitution, left-wing, pro-Marx, antiflag, "quite liberal" lunatic ([url="http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/01/shooter-jarod-laughner/"]http://www.thegatewa...jarod-laughner/[/url]) Acts of domestic terrorism are always performed by anyone but the right wing. [/quote] Honestly, shut the floopy up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 [quote name='StMichael' timestamp='1311405911' post='2274260'] Right wing? Domestic terrorists are usually of the socialist wing. The Weather Underground wanted to demolish America and make it a socialist country. The Unabomber wanted an end to our "industrial-technological system." We do not have enough information to begin to accuse the "right" of anything until we find out who this evil person was, which wanted to exact absolute disruption on a country by murdering its children. As for Timothy McVeigh he "wanted to become a mercenary for the Middle East because they paid the most.", as he stated to a military buddy during Operation Desert Storm. Hardly American Right Wing if this book can be believed (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0785261036/wwwpostalworkers). Jared Lee Loughner, also out of the gate as a "right winger" was actually anti-Christian, anti-Constitution, left-wing, pro-Marx, antiflag, “quite liberal” lunatic (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/01/shooter-jarod-laughner/) Acts of domestic terrorism are always performed by anyone but the right wing. [/quote] This is the most ridiculous post ever. Calling oneself a "Christian fundamentalist"--which this guy they currently have in custody has-- makes you a part of the far-right. It also apparently protects you from being called a "terrorist," as many media outlets have switched to the more innocuous term "madman." This shouldn't come as a surprise, since that guy out in Arizona wasn't called a "terrorist" either, though if his name had been Ali Mahmoud, it might have been covered a little differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevil Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 I really think it would be wise to wait for the information to be collected and analised before jumping to some conclusions to support a personal political agenda. At the moment we have no idea what was the driver behind this horrific situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 [quote name='stevil' timestamp='1311459250' post='2274501'] I really think it would be wise to wait for the information to be collected and analised before jumping to some conclusions to support a personal political agenda. At the moment we have no idea what was the driver behind this horrific situation. [/quote] these posts are split from the original topic in open mic. (just fyi) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 [quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1311406710' post='2274265'] next we are gonna hear how organizations like the KKK are secretly politically and socially liberal. [/quote] "Leftism" and "liberal" aren't really synonymous. Nazis were leftists, but certainly not socially liberal. The terms have become a bit confused, anyway. It used to be liberals were concerned with personal liberties protected by a small government that didn't play favorites and was not profligate in spending and taxation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 The only reason I mentioned his being named as a "right-winger" is because every Norwegian official being interviewed used the term. It is how they are going to view the events, and potentially react to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 (edited) [quote name='CatherineM' timestamp='1311464305' post='2274536'] The only reason I mentioned his being named as a "right-winger" is because every Norwegian official being interviewed used the term. It is how they are going to view the events, and potentially react to them. [/quote] He is also described as having turned into an "extremist right winger" by all his childhood friends, and identifies as a right wing, nationalist, anti muslim conservative christian. how is there any confusion on this issue? sometimes people that agree with you on certain issues do horrible things. get the hell over it, dont try and rewrite history on this guy to suit yourself. It is extremely telling how many rightwing bloggers and pundits immediately went on the offensive, assuming that this guy was a muslim. suggesting bombing another muslim country etc, yet immediately went quiet when it turned out that the guy subscribed to many of the same views as them and their readers/listeners. cowardice, really. edit: this is not really in response to CatherineM, though her post prompted mine, twas in response to the thread starter and others with that mindset. Edited July 24, 2011 by Jesus_lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 [quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1311486134' post='2274758'] sometimes people that agree with you on certain issues do horrible things. get the hell over it, dont try and rewrite history on this guy to suit yourself. [/quote] i didn't think CatherineM was doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1311486504' post='2274762'] i didn't think CatherineM was doing that. [/quote] no no, catherine has been posting just fine. i was refering to StMichael, the "thread starter" in the split off. and others like him i have encountered recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Many right wing bloggers are really a bunch of leftist nimrods who have some vestigial christianity regarding which hoo-hoos are compatible. The problem is that someone who talks about Jesus and then views the State as a means of favoring the groups he likes is labeled "right wing" when in fact he is a leftist that wants to control people in the name of Jesus rather than in the name of (insert indisputable leftist icon that will not arouse dispute). I do think domestic terrorists in authoritarian cultures will possibly be of the individual liberty bent, but right now it looks like he's some weirdo christian maniac person who also opposes immigration (left wing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 [quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1311486713' post='2274765'] no no, catherine has been posting just fine. i was refering to StMichael, the "thread starter" in the split off. and others like him i have encountered recently. [/quote] oh, okay...sorry, i got confused since you quoted her, nevermind me....i'm a little Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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