CatherineM Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 I don't remember seeing people with SSA being compared to Hitler. It is often discussed about polygamy or pedophilia also claiming that they are just acting as they were born, and they can't choose who they love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havok579257 Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 so debra, do you believe the church has been and is in error about how it views homosexuality? since its views are set in stone and you think they are wrong, then how do you come to terms with the fact that Jesus said the gates of hell will never prevail, yet your saying the church is in error? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 [quote name='jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff)' timestamp='1311697803' post='2276248'] I'm not up to speed on Kujo's views on homosexuality. But I do agree that homosexuality as a topic is almost always treated more harshly here than other sexual sins. "But jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff) (the artist formerly known as hot stuff)!! Sodomy is one of the sins that cries to heaven for justice!" Yes thank you for pointing that out. But sodomy is defined as "anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex" . The same or [b]opposite[/b] sex. I'm willing to bet all the money in my pockets that there are overwhelmingly more topics about homosexuality than there is about heterosexual oral or anal sex. Somehow people have decided that heterosexual "sins that cry out to heaven for vengeance" are not as bad as heterosexual sins of the same nature. [/quote] You make a salient point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fides' Jack Posted July 27, 2011 Author Share Posted July 27, 2011 Okay - thanks for the replies, everyone!! And now let's move on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 [quote name='fides' Jack' timestamp='1311735182' post='2276584'] Okay - thanks for the replies, everyone!! And now let's move on... [/quote] Transvestites? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fides' Jack Posted July 27, 2011 Author Share Posted July 27, 2011 No, I think we should now discuss bacon. In all its many forms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 do you want to go to the lame board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fides' Jack Posted July 27, 2011 Author Share Posted July 27, 2011 Hey - this is my thread! Doesn't that mean I get to decide the topic?Wait... Are you threatening me? J/K How are you doing, Lil' Red? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 [quote name='jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff)' timestamp='1311697803' post='2276248'] I'm not up to speed on Kujo's views on homosexuality. But I do agree that homosexuality as a topic is almost always treated more harshly here than other sexual sins. "But jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff) (the artist formerly known as hot stuff)!! Sodomy is one of the sins that cries to heaven for justice!" Yes thank you for pointing that out. But sodomy is defined as "anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex" . The same or [b]opposite[/b] sex. I'm willing to bet all the money in my pockets that there are overwhelmingly more topics about homosexuality than there is about heterosexual oral or anal sex. Somehow people have decided that heterosexual "sins that cry out to heaven for vengeance" are not as bad as heterosexual sins of the same nature. [/quote] thank you jaimie, i have pointed this out before but no one ever seemed to take it seriously. always some garbage about how being gay is technically worse because straight sodomy could lead to marriage etc. except i never remember the catholic church being too strong on the whole "ends justify the means" stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 (edited) [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1311653891' post='2276071'] Yet, it has been compared countless times on PM to all of those things. Go look through all the various threads on the subject that have cropped up over the last month or so. But do yourself a favor--only read the posts by Socrates, Havok, Papist and Nihil. That quartet seems to love to Hitler-bomb every single discussion they get into (see: Marijuana=abortion) [/quote] Ooooh! That awful Socrates again! What exactly is a Hitler-bomb? Is that some kind of Nazi weapon? Sounds scary! I don't believe I've ever brought up Hitler in a debate on homosexuality, if that's what you're trying to get at. (And I don't even post in the dope-sucking threads, and I believe Nihil is actually for legalizing Mary Jane if I recall). Your incessant whining and making baseless accusations is getting old. [quote name='jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff) (the artist formerly known as hot stuff)' timestamp='1311697803' post='2276248'] I'm not up to speed on Kujo's views on homosexuality. But I do agree that homosexuality as a topic is almost always treated more harshly here than other sexual sins. "But jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff) (the artist formerly known as hot stuff) (the artist formerly known as hot stuff)!! Sodomy is one of the sins that cries to heaven for justice!" Yes thank you for pointing that out. But sodomy is defined as "anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex" . The same or [b]opposite[/b] sex. I'm willing to bet all the money in my pockets that there are overwhelmingly more topics about homosexuality than there is about heterosexual oral or anal sex. Somehow people have decided that heterosexual "sins that cry out to heaven for vengeance" are not as bad as heterosexual sins of the same nature. [/quote] Saint Thomas Aquinas actually says that unnatural sex acts committed with the same sex are objectively worse than those committed with the opposite sex (though less bad than bestiality), but that's really beside the point, as all will get you to hell. To get to the point, I don't recall anyone here (at least not Church Militants) defending or excusing "heterosexual" sodomy. The difference is that, unlike with the homosexual issues, there are not a lot of people posting on here regularly defending such practices with the opposite sex, nor attacking and defying the Church's moral teachings against such acts. Nor are they as much being promoted in the public policy sphere. If there they were, I'm sure most of those defending the Church's teachings on homosexuality would do the same with those topics. If there were posters coming on here regularly attacking the Church's position against abortion, and Catholics were defending the Church's teachings on here, it would be stupid to come in and accuse those Catholics of being okay with euthanasia of old people because they spent a lot more time talking about abortion. Same deal here. Edited July 27, 2011 by Socrates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 [quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1311773942' post='2276808'] always some garbage about how being gay is technically worse because straight sodomy could lead to marriage etc. [/quote] An argument I've never seen anybody make here. But keep on knocking over dumb straw-men. Though it makes you look foolish, I hear it's great sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 The Church does not in fact condemn same sex attraction. It only condemns homosexual activity. The scriptures of course call such activity an abomination just ad the murder of innocent children is an abomination. I'll go with scripture and the Church over personal opinions of kujo that don't even rightly express Church teaching. Homosexual acts are against natural law. To lessen their gravity is not loving for violations of natural law do damage to the human person and society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fides' Jack Posted July 27, 2011 Author Share Posted July 27, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1311773942' post='2276808'] .. always some garbage about how being gay is technically worse because straight sodomy could lead to marriage etc. except i never remember the catholic church being too strong on the whole "ends justify the means" stuff. [/quote] Really? Could that be taken more out of context? I'm not sure it could - even by the media! He (in the other thread) didn't say being gay is worse than being straight. He said that romantic relationships (that is, engaging in said relationship) with a member of the same sex is worse than a member of the opposite sex, specifically because the latter isn't wrong at all, whereas the former is. There is no "ends justify the means" stuff here. In fact, the only circumstance in this arguments that anything needs to be justified is with a romantic relationship involving two members of the same sex. Since there is nothing (intrinsically) wrong with the other type (hetero), no justification is necessary. Edited July 27, 2011 by fides' Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1311790518' post='2276942'] An argument I've never seen anybody make here. But keep on knocking over dumb straw-men. Though it makes you look foolish, I hear it's great sport. [/quote] I have talked with catholics in other places than PM, fyi. but yes that sort of argument is sometimes made here by people crowing about the "sins that cry out to the heavens". But obviously if you havent seen something then it doesnt exist. I forgot about that. but go ahead, im just agreeing with jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff) (the artist formerly known as hot stuff), who you havent seemed to really attack on the subject. [quote name='fides' Jack' timestamp='1311797506' post='2277016'] Really? Could that be taken more out of context? I'm not sure it could - even by the media! He (in the other thread) didn't say being gay is worse than being straight. He said that romantic relationships (that is, engaging in said relationship) with a member of the same sex is worse than a member of the opposite sex, specifically because the latter isn't wrong at all, whereas the former is. There is no "ends justify the means" stuff here. In fact, the only circumstance in this arguments that anything needs to be justified is with a romantic relationship involving two members of the same sex. Since there is nothing (intrinsically) wrong with the other type (hetero), no justification is necessary. [/quote] Fides, lets just remember that i have been here for several years longer than you, and that i might be referring to something else that has happened during that time, than the specific one you are thinking of. I have had about enough of people pointing out that because homosexual sodomy can be taken as slightly worse(depending on the inanity of your argument) than heterosexual sodomy(which is way more common), it is ok to blast homosexuals constantly and almost never bring up straight sodomy. It is a sort of bigotry by ommission, in my mind, that the far more relevant sin(to the world, and probably most everyone here) is ignored. I suppose it is because most people here have very little desire to ever have homosexual sex, so it isnt hard to bash it. [i]straight oral sex is a sin..... but maybe ill try it some day and just make sure to hit the confessional afterwards, [/i]or[i] ooooh me and the wife do that occassionally shhh, [/i]or[i] ahh i remember doing that back in the day[/i]. It makes it a lot harder to bash that sin and the people who commit it when its like that, even at a subconcious level. The only problem being that your religion puts them on a very very comparable level. only by a very small margin can you make [i]their[/i] sins and temptations worse than [i]your [/i]sins and temptations. Edited July 28, 2011 by Jesus_lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardillacid Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 [quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1311827808' post='2277376'] IThe only problem being that your religion puts them on a very very comparable level. only by a very small margin can you make [i]their[/i] sins and temptations worse than [i]your [/i]sins and temptations. [/quote] interesting that you know fides jack's sins and tempations. Thank you, Jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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