TeresaBenedicta Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 To me it is the simplest thing. I mean, it's difficult to make that act of humility... but it [i]is[/i] simple. Why do so many struggle with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Because sometimes your brain--the one that God gave you-- and your heart reason differently than the Church. When you've got your brain and heart at odds with your Church, it's not easy to overlook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 When you are a kid, you never want to hear your mom or dad say, "because I said so." We never outgrow that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoylentGreene Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 I blame Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeresaBenedicta Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1311304032' post='2273437'] Because sometimes your brain--the one that God gave you-- and your heart reason differently than the Church. When you've got your brain and heart at odds with your Church, it's not easy to overlook. [/quote] I understand that- I have things where I reason and "feel" differently than what the Church teaches. But ultimately, I have to realize that *my* reasoning is not the end all, be all judgment on reality. In fact, I often go back and read a paper I wrote a few years back... and you know what? I find flaws in my logic. Usually this isn't enough to destroy an argument... But I looked back on my moral philosophy capstone paper a year after I wrote it (and I wrote it senior year, in my prime)... got an A on that paper. Almost got published. But it's got one major flaw in logic, which ruins the entire argument. So, I recognize that my reasoning isn't always perfect, even when I'm most sincere. If I can't reasonably submit my human reason to the Church... then I can't believe in the Church. An imperfect Church in regards to faith and morals means a Church that can't be trusted to pass on the fullness of the Truth. [quote name='CatherineM' timestamp='1311304694' post='2273442'] When you are a kid, you never want to hear your mom or dad say, "because I said so." We never outgrow that. [/quote] Sure. We want an explanation... but at the end of the day, a child listens to Mom and Dad. [quote name='SoylentGreene' timestamp='1311304840' post='2273447'] I blame Obama. [/quote] Are you serious? Pretty sure this has been a problem throughout history... not just in the past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 I seriously think a big part of it is American Culture. When it comes down to it we're a country that was founded on rebelling against an authority. Individualism is HUGE in our culture (not necessarily a bad thing, just a "I'll do my thing and you do yours" mentality). Couple that with having a say in government and laws (aka democracy) and we get the idea of "Why does an old guy in Rome have to tell me what to do? He doesn't relate to me, he doesn't know anything about my life." I think most of the time the heart of that is an honest question - people just don't understand. [quote][color=#595959][font=arial, verdana, sans-serif][size="2"]Because sometimes your brain--the one that God gave you-- and your heart reason differently than the Church. When you've got your brain and heart at odds with your Church, it's not easy to overlook. [/size][/font][/color][/quote] I don't think it's as simple as that. I'm sure that there are situations where you truly, honestly believe that something is wrong after you've genuinely understood the opposition's position...but I think those are few and far between. Most of the time people want to do something because it makes them happy or is easy, when the Church believes that the goal of life isn't to be happy or to have an easy life but to love God and our neighbor, and to strive to live in a right relationship with both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 [quote name='TeresaBenedicta' timestamp='1311303812' post='2273432'] To me it is the simplest thing. I mean, it's difficult to make that act of humility... but it [i]is[/i] simple. Why do so many struggle with it? [/quote] Because what God wants and I want are usually two different things....and we are all like my gbaby when I ask her to do something, " Meemaw I NOT!!" Lots of times its something she knows is good for her, and sometimes its something she really wants, but her first response is always No. Yes usually takes a bit of coaxing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faithcecelia Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Because revelation is an ongoing process, meaning that even the Church hierarchy questions the Church at times, and adjusts its rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Why can't you be humble like me? Look it's easy, I can do it!!! I take great pride in my humility!! Sorry, this thread is whack, no offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StMichael Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 EGO. PRIDE. We see it constantly. Many want to make it about their own will be done and forget that it is about HIS will be done. Questioning to learn, to get to an understanding, I get it. Questioning to change it, sinful. My opinion. [quote name='TeresaBenedicta' timestamp='1311303812' post='2273432'] To me it is the simplest thing. I mean, it's difficult to make that act of humility... but it [i]is[/i] simple. Why do so many struggle with it? [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 The misunderstanding of freedom. And the culture preaching selfishness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 (edited) [quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1311330817' post='2273680'] Why can't you be humble like me? Look it's easy, I can do it!!! I take great pride in my humility!! Sorry, this thread is whack, no offense. [/quote] Hahaha!!!!!!! Funniest post ever. "I just don't understand how [i]you people[/i] have such a problem with humility." I don't know anything about the OP, but I am [i]totally[/i] imagining Angelica, from Rugrats, as the person behind the keyboard. [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110624134154/rugrats/images/f/fe/Angelica.jpg[/img] Edited July 22, 2011 by kujo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 [quote name='faithcecelia' timestamp='1311325853' post='2273665'] Because revelation is an ongoing process, meaning that even the Church hierarchy questions the Church at times, and adjusts its rules. [/quote] That is a heresy. Public revelation ended with the death of the last apostle. The Church may from time to time adjust rules governing its internal nature (Canon Law and such) all matters of faith (doctrine) and morals (right living) are infallible and never change, though we may learn to say more about them throughout time (the development of doctrine). I recommend reading the Dogmatic Constitution Dei Verbum. 4. Then, after speaking in many and varied ways through the prophets, "now at last in these days God has spoken to us in His Son" (Heb. 1:1-2). For He sent His Son, the eternal Word, who enlightens all men, so that He might dwell among men and tell them of the innermost being of God (see John 1:1-18). Jesus Christ, therefore, the Word made flesh, was sent as "a man to men." (3) He "speaks the words of God" (John 3;34), and completes the work of salvation which His Father gave Him to do (see John 5:36; John 17:4). To see Jesus is to see His Father (John 14:9). For this reason Jesus perfected revelation by fulfilling it through his whole work of making Himself present and manifesting Himself: through His words and deeds, His signs and wonders, but especially through His death and glorious resurrection from the dead and final sending of the Spirit of truth. Moreover He confirmed with divine testimony what revelation proclaimed, that God is with us to free us from the darkness of sin and death, and to raise us up to life eternal. The Christian dispensation, therefore, as the new and definitive covenant, will never pass away and we now await no further new public revelation before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ (see 1 Tim. 6:14 and Tit. 2:13) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 TB, our emotions and desires get in the way, and when we do not have a properly formed conscience they can often lead us astray. I think that is primarily what happens in homosexuality. We want our friends to be happy, and without proper understanding we see no reason to agree with the Church which should "stay out of their bedroom", but once we open ourselves to being properly formed we see how gravely evil it is. I know what you mean though, once you know the Church contains the fullness of the faith, it should be easy to submit to her because she speaks with the voice of Christ. At that point we can ask questions to form our own understanding, but obedience is key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeresaBenedicta Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 [quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1311330817' post='2273680'] Why can't you be humble like me? Look it's easy, I can do it!!! I take great pride in my humility!! Sorry, this thread is whack, no offense. [/quote] Wow. I mean. I'm not sure how to respond to this. Except to say that I certainly didn't mean to come off like that. At all. And I'd hope that someone would [i]kindly[/i] point out that it may have sounded like that... rather than post something like this. Or kujo's response. Maybe it's just too early and I'm reading this in the wrong light. I'm not usually one to be offended or "hurt" by random folks on the internet. But this sort of response seems out of line to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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