Campus Crusade For Christ Name Change

[Little Flower]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' timestamp='1311292117' post='2273292']
llamas
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agreed

[Paddington]

They explained it. And most of they weren't responsible for it anyways.

[ThePenciledOne]

Does it really matter?

I think is entirely petty to flip about a name change for an organization, most of the time an abbreviation works better since it forces people to ask what exactly the thing is.

[CatholicCid]

[quote name='ThePenciledOne' timestamp='1311298067' post='2273378']
Does it really matter?

I think is entirely petty to flip about a name change for an organization, most of the time an abbreviation works better since it forces people to ask what exactly the thing is.
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To be fair, their "abbreviation" of Cru is short for Crusade, which is the exact reason for the name change. So, they won't want people asking what it stands for anyway.

I must admit, when I think of "Cru", my mind does automatically turn to "Campus Crusade for Christ". You can call it "Cru" because you actually know what the organization is. That is why "Cru" works. By detaching themselves from the full name, I believe they will eventually lose that association and people will truly have to ask what exactly Cru is, and will not think of Christ when they think of Cru.

Edited July 22, 2011 by CatholicCid

[BG45]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' timestamp='1311290903' post='2273266']
And just FYI, KFC is not Kentucky Fried Chicken anymore either... Either they don't want to associate with Kentucky, they don't want to be associated with fried foods... or they are no longer using real chicken. Take your pick.
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Well HSM, if that's how you want to look at it, it's a perfectly valid way to. Personally in my mind I fear that Cru will go the way of the Y rather than that of KFC.

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' timestamp='1311292117' post='2273292']
llamas
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[quote name='Little Flower' timestamp='1311294610' post='2273331']
agreed
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You rock.

[quote name='Paddington' timestamp='1311295416' post='2273345']
They explained it. And most of they weren't responsible for it anyways.
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I agree, even though every staff member had input, most of them weren't exactly in a position to influence how it turned out.


[quote name='ThePenciledOne' timestamp='1311298067' post='2273378']
Does it really matter?

I think is entirely petty to flip about a name change for an organization, most of the time an abbreviation works better since it forces people to ask what exactly the thing is.
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I think CatholicCid put it pretty well with the name change; why change to Cru if Crusade is the most offensive word? It's just an abbreviation of the most offensive word while completely dropping Campus and Christ. If you really wanna see people "flip" about it, you should go to the [url="http://www.ccci.org/about-us/campus-crusade-for-christ-announces-name-change/index.htm"]Discussion Page[/url], where people are telling them that Jesus will cast them out in the Final Judgment, or that they've donated for decades but will now no longer do so because Cru has turned its back on Christ.

[quote name='CatholicCid' timestamp='1311306075' post='2273478']
To be fair, their "abbreviation" of Cru is short for Crusade, which is the exact reason for the name change. So, they won't want people asking what it stands for anyway.

I must admit, when I think of "Cru", my mind does automatically turn to "Campus Crusade for Christ". You can call it "Cru" because you actually know what the organization is. That is why "Cru" works. By detaching themselves from the full name, I believe they will eventually lose that association and people will truly have to ask what exactly Cru is, and will not think of Christ when they think of Cru.
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Gotta agree. I know what "Cru" is from personal experience, but we're a few years away from people showing up on campuses and not knowing the history of the name. I never knew for a long time that the Y was an organization founded on Christian principles. I think it'll be the same with Cru.

Edit: Changed "to" to "for" when discussing donations.

Edited July 22, 2011 by BG45

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

If they wanted to take out the word "crusade" and if, as some posters have said, they are already known as Cru.....

Then why not change it to "Christ Cru" or "Christ Crew."

If I see "Cru," since I haven't been a student for many years, I won't automatically think of Campus Crusade for Christ. I'll think someone misspelled "crew."

I confess, I never much liked Campus Crusade for Christ anyway. I didn't like their idea of using a questionnaire that wasn't really a questionnaire to get people to start talking--I didn't like starting a discussion on Christianity with a lie. And, their conversion materials seemed overly simplistic to me--more geared to 7th graders than college students.

I didn't openly diss them, since they and I were supposed on the same side. But, in my time at Berkeley, the Campus Crusade for Christ folks represented "the pretty people"--sorority girls, football players, and that ilk. It wasn't a real scholarly bunch.

And, this was Berkely, which to the rest of the world was a wild and crazy place where, when the students weren't demonstrating, they were smoking dope. There is at least a modicum of truth in that, but mostly it was a very tough, scholarly school, and if you wanted good grades you had to work for them. My fellow students were REALLY smart and serious about academics. All of my friends got at least Master's degrees, plus two PhD's who became college professors, and two of my roommates who became doctors. To this day, I miss all the really fun, sometimes crazy, but intelligent conversations we had about EVERYTHING.

[Paddington]

Well if they all had input, then I retract my comment. Although, I know how "everybody has input" works out in the workforce.

This "Cru" word is strange. Maybe they want to sound cool. Maybe it looks cool over some cool graphic design. T-shirts are big these days.

The PC thing I just didn't buy though. But, then again there will be a part of the Muslim brain that will forever not associate them with the Crusades (not saying the Crusades are bad, that's for the Jeopardy types) even as the rest of their brain associates them (wrongly) with them.

There are so many ways to judge that I almost can't judge them. And I find judging to be personally validating.

[southern california guy]

[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' timestamp='1311311233' post='2273633']
If they wanted to take out the word "crusade" and if, as some posters have said, they are already known as Cru.....

Then why not change it to "Christ Cru" or "Christ Crew."

If I see "Cru," since I haven't been a student for many years, I won't automatically think of Campus Crusade for Christ. I'll think someone misspelled "crew."

I confess, I never much liked Campus Crusade for Christ anyway. I didn't like their idea of using a questionnaire that wasn't really a questionnaire to get people to start talking--I didn't like starting a discussion on Christianity with a lie. And, their conversion materials seemed overly simplistic to me--more geared to 7th graders than college students.

I didn't openly diss them, since they and I were supposed on the same side. But, in my time at Berkeley, the Campus Crusade for Christ folks represented "the pretty people"--sorority girls, football players, and that ilk. It wasn't a real scholarly bunch.

And, this was Berkely, which to the rest of the world was a wild and crazy place where, when the students weren't demonstrating, they were smoking dope. There is at least a modicum of truth in that, but mostly it was a very tough, scholarly school, and if you wanted good grades you had to work for them. My fellow students were REALLY smart and serious about academics. All of my friends got at least Master's degrees, plus two PhD's who became college professors, and two of my roommates who became doctors. To this day, I miss all the really fun, sometimes crazy, but intelligent conversations we had about EVERYTHING.
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Your description of Campus Crusade for Christ is spot on. I was part of it in college for a couple of years.

[dominicansoul]

what's so negative about the word "crusade?"

[southern california guy]

[quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1315572625' post='2302501']
what's so negative about the word "crusade?"
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It's not really negative. I think that they're just trying to make the group sound "cool". It's sort of like the bumper sticker "Not of this world" -- or the "NOW" with the "t" through the "O". But it this case I don't think that the name will work because I don't think that most people will relate it to Christianity.

Edited September 11, 2011 by southern california guy

[MithLuin]

Campus Crusade for Christ exists to evangelize people who aren't interested in Christianity. So, if you go up to a random non-Churchgoer on the street and ask, 'What do you think of the Crusades?'...what response are you likely to hear?

Probably some nonsense about how it just goes to show that Christians kill people who aren't Christian given half a chance. Especially those pushy evangelizing types who ask if you're worried about going to hell.

That's PROBABLY not the image they want to conjure up upon starting a conversation with a potential victim...I mean, convert.

To suggest that this PC move means they're going to go all wishy-washy and stop talking about Jesus is a little silly. What else would they [i]do[/i]? It's not like the Y...they don't exactly have gyms! They have...people who evangelize. And translate the Bible. And dub the Jesus movie into every language known. See how that doesn't really lend itself to failing to mention Jesus?

I agree that officially changing to the nickname is not going to help them disassociate with the connotations of it, but, hey, that's their problem.

[arfink]

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[ardillacid]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' timestamp='1311290903' post='2273266']And just FYI, KFC is not Kentucky Fried Chicken anymore either... Either they don't want to associate with Kentucky, they don't want to be associated with fried foods... or they are no longer using real chicken. Take your pick.[/quote]this shattered my world. What are they called?

[4588686]

[quote name='CatherineM' timestamp='1311275381' post='2273067']
Good Grief. How about, "Non-discriminatory politically correct outreach to the not too old human."
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Ok.

What if a Muslim student group was named 'Campus Jihad for Allah?'

Getting rid of the Christ part is stupid but that their name has received so little criticism does point to a pretty serious double-standard in our culture.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='ardillacid' timestamp='1315768871' post='2303324']
this shattered my world. What are they called?
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They are just "KFC."