MissyP89 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Here's a story about a celibate woman who's gay. And it's from the NYT. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/05/us/05beliefs.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG45 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Debra Little' timestamp='1310932418' post='2268819'] there is no such thing as a "Gay Lifestyle." it's people doing what they were created to do. what gays feel isn't bigotry. it's the cruelty in the rulings of the hierarchy about us. is is really fair and just to ask gays to live a celibate life? everyone has a right to love and just because we are gay should we be denied that right? No! [/quote] What Missy just said essentially (post 29), because she put it way better than I can. The Church holds that people of a homosexual orientation are supposed to be chaste just as those of a heterosexual orientation are supposed to be chaste. I think your disagreement with me in the original quoted text is the past of the text that didn't show up, and I know that was unintentional. It irks me at times that I can't easily quote within a quote on PM; and that part was what the gay Catholic in the article said. Edit: Edit for adding post 29 because Missy posted a second time while I was replying. Edited July 17, 2011 by BG45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissyP89 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 And FYI, Debra, you're not broken and there's nothing wrong with you. We [i]all[/i] have croutons that we have to struggle with -- the only difference is the particular issues. Don't let anyone tell you different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixpence Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Debra Little' timestamp='1310932418' post='2268819'] there is no such thing as a "Gay Lifestyle." it's people doing what they were created to do. what gays feel isn't bigotry. it's the cruelty in the rulings of the hierarchy about us. is is really fair and just to ask gays to live a celibate life? everyone has a right to love and just because we are gay should we be denied that right? No! [/quote] Debra, you keep saying there is no such thing as a "gay lifestyle" ... I think there might be a difference in your definition of gay lifestyle and the one that is intended by other post... I was hoping you could explain this in better detail, I'm actually interested to understand what you have been saying. edit:: ...just to clarify I am not talking about the odd balls who think people choose to be gay... because obviously its so fun and easy to be gay...*sarcasm intended, for the sarcasm illiterate PMers* I feel like other have been trying to state that sex outside of marriage is sinful (gay or straight)... and you have been correcting then because they are using the term "gay lifestyle" as a term for people who live unchaste lives who happen to be gay... and you find this offensive because it would be like using the term "the straight lifestyle" to describe people who live unchaste lives who happen to be straight. Am I guessing correctly? Edited July 17, 2011 by sixpence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG45 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 [quote name='MissyP89' timestamp='1310934416' post='2268856'] And FYI, Debra, you're not broken and there's nothing wrong with you. We [i]all[/i] have croutons that we have to struggle with -- the only difference is the particular issues. Don't let anyone tell you different. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Everyone is created to know, love, and serve God. Sodomy and other affronts to chastity have no place in Grace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinitelord1 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 (edited) I don't like defining someone as "Gay". I prefer same sex attraction. With implications that it can be overcome of course. Edited July 17, 2011 by infinitelord1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 [quote name='infinitelord1' timestamp='1310934773' post='2268864'] I don't like defining someone as "Gay". I prefer same sex attraction. With implications that it can be overcome of course. [/quote] yeah, it totally stinks that I can't use that word to refer to something as 'happy' anymore. [i]Sarcasm Meter 4/5[/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice_nine Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 (edited) I enjoyed this article, and I enjoy gaily frolicking through the meadow on sweet Spring day. I'm also quite peculiar, some may call me qwerty. And although there is a host of things wrong with me, don't hold it against me when I say that rainbows are absolutely beautiful. Edited July 17, 2011 by Ice_nine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinytherese Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Like Jason Evert, I eagerly look forward to the day when the Church canonizes a saint that carried the cross of same sex attraction and resurrected in his or her life in Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faithcecelia Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 [quote name='tinytherese' timestamp='1310953969' post='2269070'] Like Jason Evert, I eagerly look forward to the day when the Church canonizes a saint that carried the cross of same sex attraction and resurrected in his or her life in Christ. [/quote] Many would say we already have some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 [quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1309565767' post='2261832'] OK, let's just come right out with it. Do you believe that homosexual sex is a sin? [ ] - Yes [ ] - No [/quote] [quote name='Debra Little' timestamp='1309571005' post='2261871'] no. [/quote] Taken from the following (closed) thread: http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=113713&st=220&p=2261832&#entry2261832 [quote name='sixpence' timestamp='1310934448' post='2268857'] Debra, you keep saying there is no such thing as a "gay lifestyle" ... I think there might be a difference in your definition of gay lifestyle and the one that is intended by other post... I was hoping you could explain this in better detail, I'm actually interested to understand what you have been saying. edit:: ...just to clarify I am not talking about the odd balls who think people choose to be gay... because obviously its so fun and easy to be gay...*sarcasm intended, for the sarcasm illiterate PMers* I feel like other have been trying to state that sex outside of marriage is sinful (gay or straight)... and you have been correcting then because they are using the term "gay lifestyle" as a term for people who live unchaste lives who happen to be gay... and you find this offensive because it would be like using the term "the straight lifestyle" to describe people who live unchaste lives who happen to be straight. Am I guessing correctly? [/quote] Debra doesn't see homosexual sex as sinful at all, and therein lies the root of the disagreement on the term "gay lifestyle." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 [quote name='IcePrincessKRS' timestamp='1310996784' post='2269372'] Taken from the following (closed) thread: http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=113713&st=220&p=2261832&#entry2261832 Debra doesn't see homosexual sex as sinful at all, and therein lies the root of the disagreement on the term "gay lifestyle." [/quote] Werd. Any sex outside of the a married relationship of a man and woman is a sin, and neither the hierarchy or popular culture can or will change the Word of God and the teaching of the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amppax Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Really, really liked that post, I hope that it touches hearts and leads to the conversion of many[img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/clap2.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1310772920' post='2267978'] On Phatmass [/quote] "Bigotry"'s been defined down to mean "disagreeing with popular pc opinion." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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