"meant To Be"

[Lisa]

In Open Mic, Norseman brought up an interesting point: is there such a thing as the "person you're meant to be with"?

I'm inclined to think yes, but would like to hear your thoughts and if there is any Church teaching on the idea.

[cmotherofpirl]

I think this is a dangerous idea - this concept of a soul mate, because it assumes that "true" love is the basis of a relationship, and it is not. Romantic feelings are not enough to get one thru a lifetime with someone else.

[CatherineM]

I think that the sacrament of marriage makes us soul mates in a way. I think the idea that there is just one person in the world for us is the basis of why marriage rates are down. I have a friend who has never married because she couldn't find the right man. She's actually been looking for the perfect man. I don't have a lot of room to talk, because I didn't marry until I was 43, however, I did marry the first guy who seriously asked.

[dells_of_bittersweet]

Every thing that ever happens because God in some way willed it to happen. God has a plan for your life even to the most minute detail. That would incline me to think that if you're called to marriage, that God has a plan for the person you should marry.

:edit: clarification-God's will may be for you to marry a certain person, but if either of you aren't following His will, He can make other plans. Also, there is free will on the part of both parties, and marriage is a decision made by both.

Edited July 17, 2011 by dells_of_bittersweet

[Brother Adam]

As others have said, no, there are likely many people in this world you are compatible with, and many you are not.

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1310910356' post='2268716']
I think this is a dangerous idea - this concept of a soul mate, because it assumes that "true" love is the basis of a relationship, and it is not. Romantic feelings are not enough to get one thru a lifetime with someone else.
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I still think about something I was told when in college. It was something along the lines of "in the West, we say 'I love you, and so I will marry you', while in places with arranged marriages they say 'I am married to you, and so I will love you'" The point wasn't to put arranged marriages on a pedestal, but to point out that love is a decision, and that our emotions aren't the basis of a truly loving marriage.

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I think that the sacrament of marriage makes us soul mates in a way. I think the idea that there is just one person in the world for us is the basis of why marriage rates are down. I have a friend who has never married because she couldn't find the right man. She's actually been looking for the perfect man. I don't have a lot of room to talk, because I didn't marry until I was 43, however, I did marry the first guy who seriously asked.
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Now, do I love my husband? Absolutely. He's the only man I seriously dated, too. I thank God for him, for putting us in the same place at the same time. I also thank God for him because he was that final push to make me seriously study Catholicism. I'd always brushed aside my questions in the past instead of confronting them, but I had to confront them when I started dating my husband.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='dells_of_bittersweet' timestamp='1310911863' post='2268727']He can make other plans. Also, there is free will on the part of both parties, and marriage is a decision made by both.
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The will of God is immutable.

[Theresita Nerita]

Although I believe in free will and everything, I also tend to think that a few big decisions (a vocation, a marriage, children) are pretty much planned by God, the same way he plans our gender and what country and time we're born into. Lifelong commitments like that are circumstances in which you can acquit yourself well or badly, but they're your circumstances. And while it's true that there are many people you are compatible with, there's a reason you meet the one you marry first.

I had to explain this to my dad over the weekend when he said i should make having children a higher priority - I was like, "I think if God wanted me to have children right now, he would have put a fertile man in my life." He said, "Oh, you think everything's planned beforehand?" And I didnt know what I thought at the time but thinking about it later I realized "No, just the lifelong commitments are planned by God. It's up to us how we live with them."

As for divorce rate, I think it goes up when ppl marry the first person they meet instead of waiting for someone who really excites them and it goes up again when they think that everyone that excites them has an equal claim on their love (not true - only the first one, who they married, has that claim!)

Disagree?

[Groo the Wanderer]

Absolutely! We are all meant to be with Jesus for eternity. Our free will kind of mucks it up a bit though at times.

[MissyP89]

My theory is that yes, there is someone you're meant to be with...[i]if[/i] your vocation is to marriage. If that's truly what God is calling you toward, then there's someone out there with whom you'll answer that call.

[carmenchristi]

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The will of God is immutable.
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I believe that the will of God is a bit like those choose-your-own adventure books that I used to love as a kid. Don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying that God's will changes and bends according to our decisions, but we can make mistakes, even big ones. If one choses the wrong path in life, he isn't doomed to spend his life outside the will of God. Certainly, life will probably be more difficult for him, but according to his new situation, God will continue to have a "will" for him, even if it differs from what it was originally.

A simple example: Adam and Eve - Original Sin - Salvation

Obviously we know that God didn't will original sin, but it happened. We do know that God willed Jesus to offer his life for the sins of mankind. So does that mean that God's will changed? It's complicated, and is a mystery.

God gave us free-will in order that we might collaborate with his will on our own accord. I do not, however, think that this reduces our own morally neutral options to one single possibility. God has a plan for us, but also gives us choices to make.

So as far as there being a soul-mate out there. Well, I think some people do have "soul.mates" in a certain sense. My parents, for example, are soul-mates. I do not however, think this is strictly the case for everyone who is called to marriage. As CatherineM said, the sacrament is what ultimately makes people soul-mates.

[kujo]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1310910356' post='2268716']
I think this is a dangerous idea - this concept of a soul mate, because it assumes that "true" love is the basis of a relationship, and it is not. Romantic feelings are not enough to get one thru a lifetime with someone else.
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You're using lots of different terms interchangably as though they are all the same thing:

"soul mate," "true love" "romantic" and "feelings" do not all express the same thing. In fact, the first two might have share a relationship--if you're lucky enough to find either-- while the third and final both have to do with fleeting emotions.

Do I believe in "soul mates?" Sure, but only insofar as Eve was Adam's "soul mate." Adam saw her and recognize that she was his mate, the being with whom he was supposed to love and share his life with. When I'm feeling sappy, I try to imagine that moment. I see it as kind of like that "aha" moment, akin to when you correctly solve a math problem. When you're like "Oh. [i]There[/i] you are." I know that's the way that I felt when I met my lady.

You're correct in saying that you've got to move beyond that emotion and giddiness of your first meeting. Your love has to evolve, deepen, mature. I think of those first couple of moments like the "spoonful of sugar" that justifies all of the rest of the work you have to put into a lasting relationship.

[tinytherese]

What if I don't marry my soul mate?
Posted At : May 20, 2008 5:14 PM | Posted By : Anthony Buono
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Dear Anthony,

Is it possible that someone now married did not actually marry his or her soul mate?

The concept of the "soul mate" is a very, very popular one. There are various ways that people look at this concept. The harmless way is to consider that your "soul mate" is someone that you just fit so well with, it is hard to imagine your life without that person. It almost feels like you are one soul meant for each other. That, of course, is what true love can feel like. Everyone wants to meet someone that they just love being with more than anyone else and want to spend the rest of their life with. That is actually the what the concept of becoming "one flesh" is all about. The "one flesh" is a very real thing that happens to a married couple. The souls are not fused, but the bodies are. No longer can the two individuals consider themselves as solely "individual". They are ONE. This has to be covered more in depth at another time, but the point here is that the healthy sense of "soul mate" is actually the beautiful movement of two souls who desire to become one flesh in Holy Matrimony. Therefore, I prefer that people say that they seek to find the person they will become one flesh with, rather than seeking their "soul mate".

A more harmful way to look at "soul mate", in my opinion, is the notion that there is one person out there who is the only one you can marry, as if God has taken one soul, split it in two, and put each part into two human beings who now spend their life longing for each other, and if not found, end up always having this unfulfilled longing. Perhaps not everyone goes that far, but certainly the influence of this concept has affected many people to the degree of firmly believing that God has only one person in mind for each person to marry, and if you don't find that person you are doomed to unhappiness.

I have addressed this concept before, but it is worth touching on again. Marriage is a decision by a human being created with free will, just as love is a decision. It is the gift of free will created by God in all human beings that is the most meaningful aspect of love and marriage because it requires a decision on the part of two individual persons to give themselves to the other with a commitment to fidelity, permanence, and openness to life.

This free-will act is one-dimensional to each person, meaning that the requirement is that YOU say "I love you" in the marriage sense, and say "I do" in the marriage ceremony, and that YOU carry out those commitments for the rest of your life, despite anything the other person does. That is why the Sacrament of Matrimony is the only sacrament that does NOT have a priest as the "ordinary" minister of the sacrament. The two individuals are the "ordinary ministers". They give each other their free-will consent and that is when the sacrament is confected.

Again, marriage is a free-will act of the individuals, and the love they commit to is a love that must continue until death, even if the other person decides to no longer do so. This is a tough reality of marriage for people to accept, but it is also the most beautiful. The marriage vow/commitment is meant to provide security for both individuals and the children that come within the marriage. That is precisely why there is no divorce permitted in the Catholic Church. Jesus Himself declared that marriage is indissoluble, and the Church holds true to this teaching by also declaring that a sacramental marriage can never be dissolved. This subject also requires much more expounding than time here permits, but suffice it to say that marriage is in and of itself an institution that two people should not enter into lightly because it requires a commitment to "permanence". That means, I'm sorry to say, that even those marriages that seem to be not-so-great, or where one is no longer in love with the other, are still very much indissoluble marriages. Yes, that is a hardship for the individuals because of the sufferings that come along with a challenging marriage, but there are no guarantees that every marriage will be perfectly happy.

And that is the critical mistake of the modern notion of marriage. People believe they have a "right" to a happy marriage, and therefore feel they have a "right" to divorce someone if things are not going as they want them to. What they don't realize is that God is not so far away in a marriage, particularly a Christian marriage. God has a vested interest in every marriage, and is available to help a marriage if two people are willing to submit to God's will and not their own will. God, however, never guarantees any marriage will always have bliss and great feelings of happiness. On the contrary, all marriages have their ups and downs, and it is the "choice" of the individuals that affects the outcome. A married couple must wake up every day and make a renewed "decision" to love the other, and pray to God for the grace to love perfectly, especially when it is most difficult to do so. And in God's great wisdom, He allows there to be crosses in marriage that are meant to draw the individuals closer to each other and closer to God. That's what makes marriage such a path to sanctity for people. For most people, they are called to the marriage vocation, primarily to make each person a SAINT! They become a saint by living out their commitment to love the other. And we should all know full well that the path of the saint in this life is the way of the cross, in the footsteps of the Master.

Getting back to the dangerous aspect of "soul mate", it is therefore absolutely NOT required that you marry your "soul mate" in order to have a valid and/or sacramental marriage. There really is no such thing as a "soul mate" in the sense of only one person out there meant for each person. The beauty of having free will is that you can choose anyone out there. BUT … once you choose, it is for life, and it forsakes all others until death, and (this is the kicker) at that moment of giving free-will consent at the marriage ceremony, that person IS the only person for you.

I would very much like to see people stop making so much of finding what they believe is the only person out there meant for them, which only serves to put off marriage, which puts off having babies. I would prefer they focus on making a decision (of course, this is primarily on the man, because he is the one who does the asking out on dates, as well as asking for the woman's hand in marriage). It actually wastes time to look for that "one person meant for you" and does not guarantee anything, because there is no way of knowing "for certain" what God's will is, let alone who God wants you to marry. But the fact is God is helping us come into contact with good prospects, but He does not have just one person set aside for us. We do the choosing, God does the blessing of the choice.

So, to answer your question, no, a person who is married does not have to be concerned that he/she did not marry their "soul mate". They should be content that they are where God wants them to be and concentrate on giving the other love and being "loveable". It might be that they made an unwise choice of the person to marry, but that does not mean they are not really married. It might end up being true that a marriage was not a sacramental marriage as declared by a marriage tribunal of the Church, but this should never be assumed. Marriage is hard work, and love is something that has to be developed. If two people are not as happy as they would like to be, it is much more productive for them to work at finding how to love the other more deeply than it is to consider if they made the wrong choice, or worse, to consider ending the marriage in the name of seeking someone "better". That is definitely a step in the wrong direction, and something the devil would do to influence the ending of a real marriage.

And so is poisoning a person's mind with thoughts like, "Oh, perhaps I really did not marry my soul mate and need to end this marriage so I can continue looking for that soul mate". What a disaster of an approach to marriage and to life itself. It's as if to say that what is most important in marriage is that I be as happy as possible. NO!!! That is not what is most important in marriage. What is most important in marriage is that two people made a decision in faith to marry someone and work hard at their marriage to love each other and make the other as happy as THEY can be, and to have babies and raise children for God. That is the joy of marriage and the glory we give to God in marriage. And, it is sad to say, something that too many are missing out on because they are focused on the wrong things, like "Where is my soul mate?"

I will pray for your friend and hope you will advise that person to be at peace and work hard at loving, in the example of our Lord, Jesus Christ, who made His whole life about service to others with a love that was unconditional and without need of reciprocation. God willing, all of us receive this kind of love in return in our marriages, but it is not a "requirement", by any means. God rewards most those who decide they will love, regardless of feelings, and live their commitment through the hard work required to make marriage successful.


Source http://www.6stonejars.com/index.cfm/2008/5/20/What-if-I-dont-marry-my-soul-mate

Believing that there is only one person out there for you that God wills you to be with makes me think of the Calvinistic concept of predestination.

[CatherineM]

I love 6 stone jars.

[dominicansoul]

if there is supposed to be just one person meant for me, than I'm outta luck, with abortion being made legal at the time of my birth, i'm pretty sure my husband was killed

Edited July 18, 2011 by dominicansoul