Justified Saint Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 So what is everyone's opinion of predestination? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 thats a VERY broad question... give me your definition of predestination... here's my outlook on it. God knows all....right? by all, I mean that...EVERYTHING. He is the man in the anouncing booth that can see all the players and the directions they could possibly take, except He knows which way they will go before they do...right? I mean God knows everything...EVERYTHING. if you say no, then you make God a liar. while we are the lowly ant on the football field of eternity, not knowing where the beginning or end are, or where it ends or begins... We DO have free will, and God offers the same saving grace to EVERYONE...Christ died that ALL would be saved...right? but, by the same token, God ALSO knows who will reject Him. God gives us all the opportunity to accept Him or reject Him...we are all ministered to in our lives...in one way or another. this does not mean that God is choosing some for salvation and some for damnation...it means that He knows who will and who won't serve Him. every choice you make, God knew you were going to make it, before you did. God knew you would be here, reading this post whenever you read it. it don't mean that He is MAKING it happen, it just means that He knew. I think thats about it. God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justified Saint Posted April 26, 2004 Author Share Posted April 26, 2004 Right, God knows everything - Catholics aren't open theists or anything. I don't claim to be that knowledgeable on this issue either but I still haven't made up my mind yet on predestination, that is if God does give everyone the same opportunity to be saved or not. Hopefully more to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary's Knight, La Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 God knows everything perfectly and has perfect infinite love if we can agree on that then the rest falls into place. The power of God is the strength of His love, He loved us so much that He created us in His love. Now if God could force certain people to go to Heaven that wouldn't be really loving them because they wouldnt enjoy it as much as if it had been their choice. if God could disallow people to go to heaven as in bar them from it. then His love would fail again because no matter how much they would want to be with Him they couldnt. there's a song where the spirit of the Lord is there is freedom because God in His infinite love will not force us into anything we don't want. one example i heard is perfect there was a plateau on which children wanted to play but they parents were worried about them falling off so they built a railing all the way around the edge so the childen couldn't fall off they couldn't get to the edge thus everyone was happy, the children could have a blast and wouldnt fall off which made the parents happy to watch their kids have fun the rail is God's law and we have a choice whether or not to slip past the rail but we're guaranteed we'll fall off the mountain if we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justified Saint Posted April 27, 2004 Author Share Posted April 27, 2004 Good comments. I am studying Thomism right now and trying to learn how the Church reconciles the views of Thomists with the wider and more common Catholic understanding of Molinism and free will. Thus, I am not completely decided on where I would stand on this position but that would seem desired since the Church hasn't defined the solution either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 and this is what I'm talking about...not thinking for yourself, because the church hasn't told you what to think. but hey, its your religion....its your purogative...or rather, the Catholic Church's purogative. God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 JS don't even reply to him, charity lets just pray for him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justified Saint Posted April 27, 2004 Author Share Posted April 27, 2004 On the contrary I would rather have the constant witness of the TRUTH than man's novelties. We gave sola Scriptura a shot 500 years ago and it didn't answer the problem just created problems. It is odd how Protestants are so eager to assert man's freedom and independency over God's divine truth and Church. Maybe it is just a preference... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justified Saint Posted April 27, 2004 Author Share Posted April 27, 2004 Sorry Jason, you should have posted sooner brother. God willing, I will try harder next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 [quote name='Justified Saint' date='Apr 26 2004, 07:42 PM'] On the contrary I would rather have the constant witness of the TRUTH than man's novelties. We gave sola Scriptura a shot 500 years ago and it didn't answer the problem just created problems. It is odd how Protestants are so eager to assert man's freedom and independency over God's divine truth and Church. Maybe it is just a preference... [/quote] where does the Catholic Church keep the host? in a box right? you say that it IS Christ, yet you keep him in a box. God in a box...hmmm...sounds pretty minimizing of God's power to me. but anyways, back to predestination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 Charity! Pray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justified Saint Posted April 27, 2004 Author Share Posted April 27, 2004 (edited) Thank you. Anyways, most Catholics would probably agree with your first post Lumberjack, if you can imagine that! Edited April 27, 2004 by Justified Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 are we talking, "I agree because all those things hold true about God" ? or "I agree till the Catholic Church puts out its official doctrine, which if different will then be my absolute truth" ? I'm seriously wondering...no jokes, no sarcasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justified Saint Posted April 27, 2004 Author Share Posted April 27, 2004 There is no distinction. The Catholic Church is the Church that Christ founded therefore what she says holds true to God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 thats the thing, if the Catholic Church were to come up with something different to what you just said that most catholics would agree with, they would no longer agree with me. *sigh* God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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