Referring To Women As "hot" And Modesty In Speech

[Seven77]

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1310098734' post='2264300']
I dare you to find a woman who doesn't think that "beautiful" is the ultimate physical complement. "Gorgeous" also works. "Cute" is almost always a safe bet, but can get problematic if a woman is trying to look more mature. That is, it's usually considered a sort of opposite to hot/sexy in a positive way. In general, I find "attractive" means pretty much the same thing as "hot" without some of the skanky connotations.
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That's basically sums up and confirms what I was thinking!

[Seven77]

[quote name='Totus Tuus' timestamp='1310128031' post='2264388']
"Depends on the tone of the usage"

I have a very fresh example. Some FOCUS missionaries are visiting our school, and one of them said "holy women are the hottest women" -- very cliche' Catholic thing to say, but the way it was said was SO respectful. It was just said as a matter of fact.

A counter example:

A few years ago (OK more like 8 years -- I am in denial about my age) I was at a youth group type activity at a church I used to go to. We watched "Bend it Like Bekham" and the youth minister person (he looked upper college age, but that was a lot older than us at the time) yelled out at the end, "THAT GIRL IS FREAKING HOOTTT!!!" in a totally disrespectful tone. I was grossed out by him after that because you could just tell by the way he said it that his intentions were not pure.

So, I go 100% with it depending on how it's said. And generalizing seems more acceptable to me than saying individual women are hot.
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so you're saying that general statements like "modest is hottest," etc would be okay to use? i suppose that make sense-- the tone doesn't seem like it would make individual woman very uncomfortable. I can't believe that the youth minister would do that--- that is really messed up.

[Seven77]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' timestamp='1310137472' post='2264444']
Seems sketch to me, unless it is a joke or is directed at one's spouse.
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but using it to describe an individual woman in a joke seems even more sketchy to me…

[Groo the Wanderer]

"Depends on whether or not it is accurate (I'm obviously a dude)"


Hot can mean a lot of things including flushed and sweaty from exercise or a good round of sammich-making.


Hawt on the other hand applies only to myself

[Cherie]

[quote name='Totus Tuus' timestamp='1310128031' post='2264388']
So, I go 100% with it depending on how it's said. And generalizing seems more acceptable to me than saying individual women are hot.
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Personally, I definitely agree with this. And I totally love your examples!

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Seven77' timestamp='1310139328' post='2264459']
but using it to describe an individual woman in a joke seems even more sketchy to me…
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assume I meant appropriate jokes and not all possible jokes. I had a couple specific scenarios in mind but I don't feel like spelling it all out atm.
the only point was the common sense principle that the propriety of the term is context-dependent. on the assumption that your poll had in mind scenarios comparable to catcalling random girls at the mall I voted No.

Edited July 8, 2011 by Laudate_Dominum

[4588686]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' timestamp='1310134661' post='2264424']
Anyone who remembers when people were "foxy" should not use "hot" as a descriptor of physically beauty.
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It's really hot and foxy when women make firm stands like this.

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='Seven77' timestamp='1310093136' post='2264258']
I'm a single guy who likes to think that he is fairly chivalrous. I've been thinking about this topic for some time… I personally have/had difficulty saying things like " that girl is pretty hot" or "sexy" <shudder>… instead I see things like "she is really cute" or "pretty" when I refer to an attractive woman in certain instances.

So… My Reasoning has been that the term "hot" can be used for objects--- therefore, using that term a reference to a person reduces the person to an object. But now, I have been thinking that perhaps it is okay to use "hot" to describe a beautiful woman because I do refer to people (usually not girls) and objects as "cool" and "dope" without thinking twice.

Thoughts?
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I am married guy who thinks that words change so much it hardly makes a difference these days, its not like we are using Latin. I guess calling women fervens would not seem so bad if an old latin scholar seen either a cute girl or one that was actually on fire. By the way cute can be used to describe puppies, seals and cabbage patch dolls does this mean it can be deemed as being used to describe an object?

ed

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' timestamp='1310134661' post='2264424']
Anyone who remembers when people were "foxy" should not use "hot" as a descriptor of physically beauty.
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Spoken like a true " ex- babe"

ed

[dUSt]

jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff) calls my wife hot all the time.

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1310157165' post='2264630']
jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff) (the artist formerly known as hot stuff) calls my wife hot all the time.
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On the phone?

ed

[MIKolbe]

you really don't want jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff) standing on a phone.....

[Winchester]

Kujo is the ugliest girl I know.

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

In the line of duty, I bet Winchester has seen a lot of (literally) hot women. And, has probably saved many of their lives.

Edited July 8, 2011 by IgnatiusofLoyola

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

There is definitely a double standard, because I have been known to refer to certain men as "hawt" (perhaps even on Phatmass) and no one got mad at me for saying it. Perhaps it's the spelling, but I don't think so. I think men (or at least some men) may be different than women, and like it if a woman says they're "hawt."

I think it's also different if you are talking to someone in person versus looking at their picture. Why would someone have their picture taken in attractive or skimpy clothing that they KNEW was going to be in a magazine if they didn't want people to think of them as "hawt?" For people in the entertainment busness, "hawt" translates into additional income.

However, if you're talking to someone in person, the word (however it's spelled) is likely to be inappropriate, unless the person saying it is your spouse or significant other.