Casey Anthony

[BG45]

[quote name='XIX' timestamp='1309899722' post='2263345']
It also has a big effect on people when an attractive twenty-something starts sobbing. Just saying.

I didn't follow the story, but it is tragic that a toddler is dead and the murderer is going to walk.
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Sure it does, people are people. It's indeed tragic that Caylee is dead. However, most people in this thread seem to have done what the court did not, and convicted this woman of murder. Though the media did that well over a year ago.

The point Penguin has been trying to make is that our justice system did what it is supposed to do in theory; operate in such a way that if there is reasonable doubt, you're not going to kill or imprison someone for life. In the due process model that our nation employs, it is better for ten guilty people to go free, than for one innocent person to be convicted. This does allow for the guilty to walk sometime, but it is not my place to judge whether or not she was guilty when the court did not find her so. Rather, the matter of her guilt and her innocence is between she and the Lord alone.

Not pointing a finger at you, because you and to my knowledge no one else in this thread has said anything to the effect, but I've seen some really chilling stuff on Facebook about the verdict. People hoping she gets gunned down outside the courthouse so that she can go to face eternal damnation as soon as possible. People encouraging others to go "Boondock Saints on her ***".

[kujo]

[quote name='BG45' timestamp='1309916801' post='2263444']
Not pointing a finger at you, because you and to my knowledge no one else in this thread has said anything to the effect, but I've seen some really chilling stuff on Facebook about the verdict. People hoping she gets gunned down outside the courthouse so that she can go to face eternal damnation as soon as possible. People encouraging others to go "Boondock Saints on her ***".
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My buddy Orlando--an avid social networker-- had to unplug himself today having become disturbed by the callousness and ruthlessness he was seeing on his Twitter and Facebook feeds. He had a similar reaction after it was announced that Osama was dead.

Orlando, BTW, is an avowed atheist.

I find it interesting that Dexter is trending on Twitter tonight, as people express outrage over the Casey Anthony verdict. Aside from being sorta funny (I am, after all, an [b]avid[/b] fan of the show), it also raises questions about the way we conceive of justice and, more importantly, revenge. It seems like people are equating the two, somehow believing that the only justice for this little girl is the swift and lethal action of the death penalty. Anything less is exactly that: less.

[rkwright]

[quote name='BG45' timestamp='1309916801' post='2263444']
Sure it does, people are people. It's indeed tragic that Caylee is dead. However, most people in this thread seem to have done what the court did not, and convicted this woman of murder. Though the media did that well over a year ago.

The point Penguin has been trying to make is that our justice system did what it is supposed to do in theory; operate in such a way that if there is reasonable doubt, you're not going to kill or imprison someone for life. In the due process model that our nation employs, it is better for ten guilty people to go free, than for one innocent person to be convicted. This does allow for the guilty to walk sometime, but it is not my place to judge whether or not she was guilty when the court did not find her so. Rather, the matter of her guilt and her innocence is between she and the Lord alone.

Not pointing a finger at you, because you and to my knowledge no one else in this thread has said anything to the effect, but I've seen some really chilling stuff on Facebook about the verdict. People hoping she gets gunned down outside the courthouse so that she can go to face eternal damnation as soon as possible. People encouraging others to go "Boondock Saints on her ***".
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I agree with one major caveat. Sometimes juries get it wrong. Just because there was due process does not mean there was justice.

[xSilverPhinx]

[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1309896526' post='2263319']
I've met this lady--she lives right down the road from me, and she and her family frequent the Target I work at.

Let me tell you: she did it.
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Really?! She lives down the road from you? *shocked*

What makes you think she did it?

I haven't been following the trial, but I think she either killed her herself or at the very least knows and is protecting the one who did.

Edited July 6, 2011 by xSilverPhinx

[kujo]

[quote name='xSilverPhinx' timestamp='1309918569' post='2263453']
Really?! *shocked*

What makes you think so?

I haven't been following the trial, but I think she either killed her herself or at the very least knows and is protecting the one who did.
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Well, I guess I now have to retract that post after being told that, contrary to what I learned while pursuing a Bachelor's and a Master's in Political Science, the legal system in this country is NOT based on my "gut feelings."

[southern california guy]

[quote name='CatherineM' timestamp='1309904192' post='2263360']
Had I been the prosecutor, I would have gone for child neglect and voluntary manslaughter. I don't think it was premeditated. I think she was doping her so she could go out partying. I've seen a lot of single moms who do this so they can work who can't afford babysitters. Sometimes it goes wrong. I think they had a better chance of proving that scenario.
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Ah, this makes sense. I agree this is more likely what happened.

[xSilverPhinx]

[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1309918734' post='2263455']
Well, I guess I now have to retract that post after being told that, contrary to what I learned while pursuing a Bachelor's and a Master's in Political Science, the legal system in this country is NOT based on my "gut feelings."
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I edited the post because after re reading it I realised that it might sound like I'm saying that, but I'm genuinely interested in why you think she did it. Dubious personality?

[Cherie]

At least for me, I'm not saying that she should have been given the death penalty. But I do think she should have been convicted of murder. True, my opinion counts for literally [i]nothing.[/i] I wasn't a juror; I did follow the case a bit but I certainly didn't even remotely hear all the evidence.

But it seems like nowadays "beyond a reasonable doubt" equals "beyond the slightest shadow of a doubt." Rare is the case that will be 100% flawless, and defense attorneys capitalize on this.

Anyway, even if Casey [i]didn't[/i] murder her daughter, she definitely has some [i]serious, serious[/i] problems and I hope she gets help.

[BG45]

[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1309917883' post='2263448']
My buddy Orlando--an avid social networker-- had to unplug himself today having become disturbed by the callousness and ruthlessness he was seeing on his Twitter and Facebook feeds. He had a similar reaction after it was announced that Osama was dead.

Orlando, BTW, is an avowed atheist.

I find it interesting that Dexter is trending on Twitter tonight, as people express outrage over the Casey Anthony verdict. Aside from being sorta funny (I am, after all, an [b]avid[/b] fan of the show), it also raises questions about the way we conceive of justice and, more importantly, revenge. It seems like people are equating the two, somehow believing that the only justice for this little girl is the swift and lethal action of the death penalty. Anything less is exactly that: less.
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You know I've never seen Dexter. The first time I heard about it, I was like "amesome Dexter's Lab is back", and then I googled. A serial killer that targets murderers? Reminds me of the old Michael Douglas flick "The Star Chamber". In it, a group of judges hires hitmen to kill defendants they felt got off on technicalities and such, but thought they were guilty.

And Orlando sounds like a cool guy. If he cares that much about folks advocating violence against people he's never met, then I think he's in the right field! I hope he comes to know our Lord!

[quote name='rkwright' timestamp='1309917939' post='2263449']
I agree with one major caveat. Sometimes juries get it wrong. Just because there was due process does not mean there was justice.
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Yes they could be wrong. I know we all have our personal gut feelings as to what happened; mine lies most in line with CatherineM's thought. However, we don't know if the jury got it wrong or not; only God and Casey Anthony know that. Had the prosecution not so badly bungled just about everything, I doubt the defense's strategy of making their own defendant look like an incompetent party mom who shouldn't have been caring for a kid anyhow would've worked as well as it did.

[rkwright]

[quote name='BG45' timestamp='1309919652' post='2263462']

Yes they could be wrong. I know we all have our personal gut feelings as to what happened; mine lies most in line with CatherineM's thought. However, we don't know if the jury got it wrong or not; only God and Casey Anthony know that. Had the prosecution not so badly bungled just about everything, I doubt the defense's strategy of making their own defendant look like an incompetent party mom who shouldn't have been caring for a kid anyhow would've worked as well as it did.
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I don't blame the prosecution at all - they put all the facts in front of the jury.

The facts are what the facts are.

[dominicansoul]

I just heard on my local news station, apparently, there is a nationwide vigil tonite, called "LIGHTS ON FOR CAYLEE" ...people are asked to keep their porch lights on until 6 a.m. tonite to honor her memory ...

[BG45]

[quote name='rkwright' timestamp='1309919982' post='2263465']
I don't blame the prosecution at all - they put all the facts in front of the jury.

The facts are what the facts are.
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I respectfully disagree to an extent, the dozens of sidebars the judge had to call because the defense and prosecution were outright bickering helped neither side's credibility. As for the facts being the facts, agreed, they were presented as they were presented.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1309920130' post='2263466']
I just heard on my local news station, apparently, there is a nationwide vigil tonite, called "LIGHTS ON FOR CAYLEE" ...people are asked to keep their porch lights on until 6 a.m. tonite to honor her memory ...
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Yep, its all over FB tonight. The outrage is palpable.

[Maggyie]

The prosecution should have tried to get a plea deal for a lesser charge. They didn't even have a conclusive manner of death - the autopsy provided no relevant info. Did she drown accidentally? Was she drowned on purpose? Did she trip and fall and hit her head? Was she hit over the head with a frying pan? Was she drugged at the time of her death? Nobody knows, including the police. They're just pretty sure the mother had something to do with it, whatever "it" was.

In these situations you try to get the defense team to negotiate, you don't do a full court press with death penalty specifications, apparently counting on awful media people like Nancy Grace to do your work for you.

[Debra Little]

i went to the store today and the checkout girl mentioned this. what a shame! how could they find
her not guilty?!