The Other Royal Wedding

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='MithLuin' timestamp='1309825559' post='2263136']
I was curious what parts of canon law dealt with this, and here is what I came up with:



So, in other words, you can have a deathbed wedding if you really want to. That would likely [i]not[/i] be in a church, for obvious reasons. And if your bishop cannot be reached in a timely fashion, your parish priest has the ability to grant this dispensation.



The exceptions include: consanguinity, holy orders, a public vow of chastity (ie, membership in a religious order), and the crime(s) of murdering someone's spouse so that two people will be free to marry. So, the location of the marriage is not a case that gets bumped up to the Holy See!



So, you are supposed to be married in your parish church, and only the bishop can give permission for you to go elsewhere. Unless you simply want to be married in another parish/church building, in which case your parish priest can give the okay for that:



There seems to be no restriction on 'another suitable place,' leaving it up to the bishop. It is possible that the size of the crowd was given as a reason not to use the cathedral, and the bishop accepted that as an extraordinary circumstance.

And the record keeping:





Oh, and as for illegitimate children:



In the case outlined above, where the prince married the mother of his child, it seems the church would view the baby as legitimated.
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Prince Albert has never married any of the mothers of the children he has fathered, so it sounds as if they are still considered illegitimate. Do I understand this correctly?

Apart from the question of legitimacy, the important thing in Prince Albert's case is that only children borne by his wife may inherit the throne. Prince Albert apparently is helping support the two children he has confessed to fathering, but under the law of Monaco, they cannot inherit the throne. Now that Prince Albert has married, only children borne by Princess Charlene may inherit the throne. However, if, for some reason, Princess Charlene cannot bear children, the law in Monaco was changed awhile back so that the oldest son of Princess Caroline will inherit the throne if Prince Albert did not marry or does not father any children by his wife.

Edited July 5, 2011 by IgnatiusofLoyola

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='ThePenciledOne' timestamp='1309826221' post='2263141']
She is. We sorta share a name too, it's funny. But that ship has since passed, cause then I'd be like every other boy on campus : P


Edit: saw your edit....IgnatiusofLoyola you are ridiculous.
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It's taken you THIS long to realize I'm ridiculous?

[MithLuin]

[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' timestamp='1309827511' post='2263149']
Prince Albert has never married any of the mothers of the children he has fathered, so it sounds as if they are still considered illegitimate. Do I understand this correctly?

Apart from the question of legitimacy, the important thing in Prince Albert's case is that only children borne by his wife may inherit the throne. Prince Albert apparently is helping support the two children he has confessed to fathering, but under the law of Monaco, they cannot inherit the throne. Now that Prince Albert has married, only children borne by Princess Charlene may inherit the throne. However, if, for some reason, Princess Charlene cannot bear children, the law in Monaco was changed awhile back so that the oldest son of Princess Caroline will inherit the throne if Prince Albert did not marry or does not father any children by his wife.
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Yes, Prince Albert has two illegitimate children, and they may not inherit the throne.

The legitimized child I referred to was not his, but that of the third son of the Grand Duke of Luxembourg, Prince Louis Xavier Marie Guillaume. The one who married the girl, but in doing so, lost his place in the succession. His sons are:

Prince Gabriel Michael Louis Ronny of Nassau was born out of wedlock in Switzerland on March 12, 2006.
Prince Noah Guillaume of Nassau was born on September 21, 2007.

My comment was that Prince Gabriel is not an illegitimate child, but rather a legitimated one. Prince Noah is legitimate. Neither boy is in line to become Grand Duke of Luxembourg.

From Wikipedia:

[quote]Prince Louis married Tessy Antony on 29 September 2006 at a parish church in Gilsdorf. Upon his marriage, the prince gave up his succession rights and those of all the couple's children, although Louis retains his title of Prince of Luxembourg and the style of Royal Highness while Tessy and Gabriel were originally given the surname de Nassau with no titles.

On Luxembourg's National Day on 23 June 2009, Grand Duke Henri gave Tessy the title of Princess of Luxembourg with the style Her Royal Highness and the title Prince of Nassau and style Royal Highness to their sons and future children.[2]

The family lives in London, where the Prince is working. [/quote]

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='MithLuin' timestamp='1309829112' post='2263158']
Yes, Prince Albert has two illegitimate children, and they may not inherit the throne.

The legitimized child I referred to was not his, but that of the third son of the Grand Duke of Luxembourg, Prince Louis Xavier Marie Guillaume. The one who married the girl, but in doing so, lost his place in the succession. His sons are:

Prince Gabriel Michael Louis Ronny of Nassau was born out of wedlock in Switzerland on March 12, 2006.
Prince Noah Guillaume of Nassau was born on September 21, 2007.

My comment was that Prince Gabriel is not an illegitimate child, but rather a legitimated one. Prince Noah is legitimate. Neither boy is in line to become Grand Duke of Luxembourg.

From Wikipedia:

"Prince Louis married Tessy Antony on 29 September 2006 at a parish church in Gilsdorf. Upon his marriage, the prince gave up his succession rights and those of all the couple's children, although Louis retains his title of Prince of Luxembourg and the style of Royal Highness while Tessy and Gabriel were originally given the surname de Nassau with no titles.

On Luxembourg's National Day on 23 June 2009, Grand Duke Henri gave Tessy the title of Princess of Luxembourg with the style Her Royal Highness and the title Prince of Nassau and style Royal Highness to their sons and future children.[2]

The family lives in London, where the Prince is working."


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I realized later that you were referring to the Prince Louis of Luxembourg and his children.

I admit, I don't keep up a lot with the doings of the Luxembourg Royal Family, so thank-you for the new information. I was VERY pleased to hear that the Grand Duke has now made Tessy a Princess, with the title "Her Royal Highness" and given the same title to their children. In Royal Families, this means A LOT. The Grand Duke didn't have to do that, but it shows to me that they are a loving, caring, forgiving family--as I had suspected when I saw the Grand Duchess openly holding her grandchild at the Catholic wedding ceremony, instead of distancing herself from her son and her grandchild. And, I doubt that Prince Louis or Princess Tessy really cares that Prince Louis or their children cannot inherit the throne, because every time one of his brothers has a child, it will put Prince Louis one step further back from the throne.

Thanks for the info. As you can tell, I am a royalty buff, but I mostly concentrate on the British Royal family, although I pay some attention to other European Royal Families, as well.

[jkaands]

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I must say that the bride did not look particularly happy in the pictures on the page with the wedding cake, but then....it's a long few days for such a big production, and being in the spotlight that much must be tiring.

Asking the prince to take a paternity test in the days before his wedding was [i]clearly[/i] the move of an unhappy woman! Whether it's his kid or not, she obviously wanted to mar his current relationship. That suggests that the couple has some baggage to work through.

Personally, I hope to never be in the public spotlight. It doesn't look like much fun!
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The bride looks miserable. The groom looks shame-faced. The guests look both magnificent and embarrassed to be there.

The history of that family makes the British royal family look like a bunch of Quakers. Caroline annulled her first marriage quickly, had a happy second marriage w/ 3 kids in close succession before he was killed in a boating race; her third husband is seen openly flirting with other younger women. Stephanie had two children by her bodyguard, unmarried, had a third whose father she wouldn't identify, got married and is now divorced.

But hey, it's a Catholic wedding! And at least Albert didn't use birth control!
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