cmotherofpirl Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1309898501' post='2263336'] Man. You people smell of elderberries. You see "NY Times" and you immediately dismiss it. I thought it was a fairly objective piece, showing how neither side is really making any real moves to IMPROVE the situation. They just lock themselves in their ideological towers and shoot arrows at each other, more focused with "winning points" with their constituents than with actually accomplishing something. [/quote] Really? I READ the article. The "if the Republicans were normal" is croutons. Neither side gives a croutons about anybody but themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debra Little Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 conservatism isn't reality! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 [quote name='Debra Little' timestamp='1309904837' post='2263365'] conservatism isn't reality! [/quote] Define conservatism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1309899049' post='2263339'] Really? I READ the article. The "if the Republicans were normal" is croutons. Neither side gives a croutons about anybody but themselves. [/quote] "Normalcy" was being judged by a "normal" political party, rather than just a protest party, which is kind of what the GOP has devolved into. They don't really DO anything anymore--they just gnash their teeth and cry "socialism" whenever anyone dares to discuss social services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debra Little Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1309906253' post='2263372'] Define conservatism. [/quote] right wing! fundamentalism ususally. and sometimes catholic but not quite as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Cat Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 (edited) Since the election of President Obama, yes. I have noticed people who say they are conservative tend to be christian nationalists now. Edited July 6, 2011 by Mr.CatholicCat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 [quote name='Debra Little' timestamp='1309921750' post='2263476'] right wing! fundamentalism ususally. and sometimes catholic but not quite as much. [/quote] Do you view right wing as a negative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 [quote name='Mr.CatholicCat' timestamp='1309925625' post='2263503'] I have noticed people who say they are conservative tend to be christian nationalists now. [/quote] Interesting, never thought of it in terms of "Christian nationalism." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debra Little Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1309960924' post='2263596'] Do you view right wing as a negative? [/quote] Yes I view right wing as negative and very destructive to our country. It is the church that is responsible for all the hatred and animosity towards LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bi-Sexual and Transgered-Transexual) people. It is the church that says to the world it's okay to hate anyone who is different from yourself. To exclude them from your fellowships, to make them not feel wanted. It is the church that tells society that their hatred and violence toward us is not a sin because it's done in the name of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debra Little Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 [quote name='Era Might' timestamp='1309961616' post='2263600'] Interesting, never thought of it in terms of "Christian nationalism." [/quote] It is not nationalism. It is their desire to run this country and the world like religious dictators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 [quote name='Debra Little' timestamp='1309964442' post='2263614'] Yes I view right wing as negative and very destructive to our country. It is the church that is responsible for all the hatred and animosity towards LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bi-Sexual and Transgered-Transexual) people. It is the church that says to the world it's okay to hate anyone who is different from yourself. To exclude them from your fellowships, to make them not feel wanted. It is the church that tells society that their hatred and violence toward us is not a sin because it's done in the name of God. [/quote] With respect, I think it's more than just the fault of "the Church." There's a fundamental disrespect and dehumanization that has cropped up as it pertains to the LGBT community, the roots of which date back thousands of years. I said it in a post the other day--anything that deviates from the social norms that comprise the understanding of "masculinity" is viewed as inferior. Examples can be found in every locker room and board room in the world--men who violate the unofficial "guy code" are called "ladies" or "f*gs." This has come to have a pejorative connotation rather than an inaccurate statement; if someone called me "blue-eyes," I wouldn't be offended, but it would also just not be true. You can say that this negative reaction towards homosexuals (and, in other cases, women) stems from "the Church," but that's only to say that it steams from PEOPLE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havok579257 Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 [quote name='Debra Little' timestamp='1309964442' post='2263614'] Yes I view right wing as negative and very destructive to our country. It is the church that is responsible for all the hatred and animosity towards LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bi-Sexual and Transgered-Transexual) people. It is the church that says to the world it's okay to hate anyone who is different from yourself. To exclude them from your fellowships, to make them not feel wanted. It is the church that tells society that their hatred and violence toward us is not a sin because it's done in the name of God. [/quote] are you catholic? i am honestly asking because your making up lies about the church and bashing the church. i wouldn't expect a catholic to lie about their own religion and bash it. so has you relgion changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 [quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1309966035' post='2263627'] are you catholic? i am honestly asking because your making up lies about the church and bashing the church. i wouldn't expect a catholic to lie about their own religion and bash it. so has you relgion changed? [/quote] Ah, this is where the Phatmass Inquisition begins. I suffered the same fate a few weeks back, when someone got a hair across their backside about my seemingly-heretical stance on homosexuality. Leave her alone, dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havok579257 Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1309968855' post='2263640'] Ah, this is where the Phatmass Inquisition begins. I suffered the same fate a few weeks back, when someone got a hair across their backside about my seemingly-heretical stance on homosexuality. Leave her alone, dude. [/quote] so are you the phorum police who says what questions are ok to ask and which ones are not? are you the only one who can ask questions? are we only allowed to ask questions that you approve of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 [quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1309969924' post='2263647'] so are you the phorum police who says what questions are ok to ask and which ones are not? are you the only one who can ask questions? are we only allowed to ask questions that you approve of? [/quote] Are we playing the question game If so, would it bother you if I told you that we are all "Phorum police" in the sense that we can point out infractions and stupidity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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