MIKolbe Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 so you're saying Kujo owes you $0.32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithLuin Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 [quote name='Catholictothecore' timestamp='1309972534' post='2263660'] Oh, those poor, selfless-to-the-core politicians with their bleeding-hearts, torn between doing what the Catholic Bishops advise and what their Catholic constituents say.... [/quote] This. This article is annoying to no end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debra Little Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 [quote name='katholikkid' timestamp='1309530592' post='2261549'] [font="arial"][size="2"][b][left][size="1"][color="#000000"][color="#000000"][size="2"]It wouldn't come as a shock if New York politicians are starting to sweat--not from the summer heat, but from worry about the political fallout from this week's legislative vote to make New York the sixth state, in addition to the District of Columbia, to legalize same-sex marriage. After all, [url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/under-god/post/ny-catholic-bishop-shun-lawmakers-over-gay-marriage-vote/2011/06/27/AGqe1VnH_blog.html#pagebreak"]New York's Catholic Bishops have expressed outrage over the vote[/url], and nearly 40 percent of New York voters are Catholic. But, the polls show a surprising reality that may ease the worries of some elected officials even as it makes their job harder. There are in fact two very different Catholic voices that elected officials in New York and elsewhere around the country have to navigate: the big "C" voice of the Catholic bishops who are adamantly opposed to same-sex marriage, and the little "c" voices of Catholics in the pews who are largely supportive.[/size][/color] [color="#000000"][size="2"]In fact, rank-and-file Catholics are generally more supportive of legal recognitions of same-sex relationships than Americans overall. A May 2011 survey by Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI) found 56 percent of Catholics favor allowing gay and lesbian people to marry, compared to 51 percent in the general population. These numbers are not anomalies. Survey after survey show majority support for legal recognition of same-sex relationships among Catholics. A March 2011[url="http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/1121a6%20Gay%20Marriage.PDF"]ABC/Washington Post poll [/url]found 6[url="http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/1121a6%20Gay%20Marriage.PDF"]0 percent of Catholics support marriage for same-sex couples[/url], compared to 53 percent of the general population. A[url="http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/faith-in-numbers/2011/02/new_york_state_of_mind_bush_daughter_catholics_support_allowing_ny_same-sex_couples_to_marry.html"] January 2011 Quinnipiac University survey[/url] found[url="http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/faith-in-numbers/2011/02/new_york_state_of_mind_bush_daughter_catholics_support_allowing_ny_same-sex_couples_to_marry.html"] 52 percent of New York Catholic voters support allowing same-sex couples to marry[/url], compared to 56 percent of all New York voters.[/size][/color] [color="#000000"][size="2"]Support is strong across the board for gay and lesbian rights among Catholics. More than seven-in-10 (73 percent) Catholics support laws that would protect gay and lesbian people against discrimination in the workplace, and 60 percent of Catholics favor allowing gay and lesbian couples to adopt children. There's also a large theological gulf between official church teachings and rank-and-file Catholics: a solid majority (56 percent) of Catholics--10 points higher than the general population—say sex between two adults of the same gender is not a sin.[/size][/color] [color="#000000"][size="2"]These stark differences pose a dilemma for politicians who are trying to discern the Catholic voice in their districts on the issues of same-sex marriage and other rights for gay and lesbian Americans. With the bishops sending one message and lay Catholics sending another, politicians may have the unenviable task of choosing between the official capital "C" Church hierarchy represented by the bishops and the lower case "c" church represented by the laity.[/size][/color] [color="#555555"][size="2"][left]By [url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/robert-p-jones/2011/03/10/AB8dZXQ_page.html"]Robert P. Jones[/url] | 10:19 PM ET, 06/30/2011 --The Washington Post[/left][/size][/color] [/color][/size][/left][/b][/size][/font] [/quote] It is the Catholic church that should sweat and take a look at their cruelty toward us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debra Little Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 [quote name='thessalonian' timestamp='1309538382' post='2261606'] One thing to keep in mind regarding when polls use the term "Catholics" they don't distinguish between those who go to church and those who don't. Less than 50% of those who call themselves Catholic go to Church. I would like to see these polls identify those who go to Church as the numbers would certainly be better. [/quote] that's fixing and that is wrong. it's also one sided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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