Nihil Obstat Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1309959246' post='2263583'] Where is my failure, my newly-engaged frenemy? (Congrats, on the real)... How is homosexual sex worse than heterosexual non-marital sex? [/quote] Heterosexual sex is in conformance with nature. It is open to life. Catholic teaching is fairly clear on the distinction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1309967005' post='2263629'] Heterosexual sex is in conformance with nature. It is open to life. Catholic teaching is fairly clear on the distinction. [/quote] Then I am unaware of this teaching that places non-marital heterosexual sex on a different level of "sin" than homosexual sex. Please show me these teachings, for I am truly unaware of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1309968743' post='2263637'] Then I am unaware of this teaching that places non-marital heterosexual sex on a different level of "sin" than homosexual sex. Please show me these teachings, for I am truly unaware of them. [/quote] They are both grave sin, yet one you get 2 for 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 [quote name='Papist' timestamp='1309969848' post='2263646'] They are both grave sin, yet one you get 2 for 1. [/quote] So you are saying that gay sex is the BOGO of mortal sins? (Can we all agree that that is kinda funny?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoylentGreene Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1309897768' post='2263329'] Homosexual acts are no different than any other sexual act that occurs outside of the confines of Holy Matrimony. You'd be wise not to think otherwise. [/quote] Where's that in the Catechism? It is true that all gravely sinful acts extinguish the life if of grace in the soul, but there is a difference in an unnatural and a natural act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 I believe it is not about redefining marriage, but redefining parents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catholictothecore Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Oh, those poor, selfless-to-the-core politicians with their bleeding-hearts, torn between doing what the Catholic Bishops advise and what their Catholic constituents say.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 [quote name='Catholictothecore' timestamp='1309972534' post='2263660'] Oh, those poor, selfless-to-the-core politicians with their bleeding-hearts, torn between doing what the Catholic Bishops advise and what their [s]Catholic[/s] social liberal constituents say.... [/quote] Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1309897768' post='2263329'] Homosexual acts are no different than any other sexual act that occurs outside of the confines of Holy Matrimony. You'd be wise not to think otherwise. [/quote] Saint Thomas Aquinas thought otherwise, and the Angelic Doctor was certainly among the wisest men who ever lived in matters of Catholic Faith and morals. From the Summa Theologica: [url="http://www.newadvent.org/summa/3154.htm#article12"]Article 12. Whether the unnatural vice is the greatest sin among the species of lust?[/url] St. Thomas is not just giving his own novel opinion here, but is explaining what the Church always taught on this matter, citing St. Augustine and St. Paul's letter to the Romans. But all sexual acts outside of marriage are the same in as far as they are all mortal sins, and should not be practiced nor condoned by Catholics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 [quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1309973491' post='2263670'] Saint Thomas Aquinas thought otherwise, and the Angelic Doctor was certainly among the wisest men who ever lived in matters of Catholic Faith and morals. From the Summa Theologica: [url="http://www.newadvent.org/summa/3154.htm#article12"]Article 12. Whether the unnatural vice is the greatest sin among the species of lust?[/url] St. Thomas is not just giving his own novel opinion here, but is explaining what the Church always taught on this matter, citing St. Augustine and St. Paul's letter to the Romans. But all sexual acts outside of marriage are the same in as far as they are all mortal sins, and should not be practiced nor condoned by Catholics. [/quote] Thank you. I do appreciate it. (No sarcasm. Hope you can see that) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1309973720' post='2263673'] Thank you. I do appreciate it. (No sarcasm. Hope you can see that) [/quote] No problem, bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 [quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1309974486' post='2263677'] No problem, bro. [/quote] Love your new signature beneath your avatar. Am I entitled to a quarter or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevil Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 [quote name='Papist' timestamp='1309969848' post='2263646'] They are both grave sin, yet one you get 2 for 1. [/quote] I'm trying to understand the Catholic concerns with regards to sex. There is a belief that contraceptives leads to more casual sex which leads to more pregnancies which leads to more abortions, which in the eyes of Catholics is murder. I guess you would believe that sex outside of marrage leads to unwanted pregnancy which leads to abortions, right? But gay sex does not lead to abortions, no murder, no harm of anyone. Can someone please tell me what the Catholic concern is and how this is more grave than the worry of abortions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Well, two wrongs don't make it right. I'm an example of the product of sex between two people who were not married, but didn't end in an abortion. My paper for Pastoral Theology was on the pastoral care of pro-choice politicians. The professor said he'd never had a paper on that topic before. That's a shame. I think we should be doing something about this. It has been ignored for too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1309974731' post='2263678'] Love your new signature beneath your avatar. Am I entitled to a quarter or something? [/quote] You can have a quarter of all profits from my phatmass postings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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