Traditional Carmel With Latin And Strict Papal Enclosure

[Studiumecclesiae]

I know a very strict French Carmel. I actually know several. One in particular with the 1990 constitutions, gregorian liturgy, strict papal enclosure (grilles, curtains, etc) no possibility to have a life-in, you straight enter.
I also know one of the strictest in Italy.

If anyone has a very strong ideal of the Religious Life in Carmel, then, feel free to reply to this message.

Pax vobis +

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[Yaatee]

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I know a very strict French Carmel. I actually know several. One in particular with the 1990 constitutions, gregorian liturgy, strict papal enclosure (grilles, curtains, etc) no possibility to have a life-in, you straight enter.
I also know one of the strictest in Italy.

If anyone has a very strong ideal of the Religious Life in Carmel, then, feel free to reply to this message.

Pax vobis +

[i]StudiumEcclesiae[/i]
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Several in the UK, including Kirk Edge. Several in the US.

[Studiumecclesiae]

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Several in the UK, including Kirk Edge. Several in the US.
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Kirk Edge has the divine office and the mass in English.

The carmels I'm talking about can be interesting for their latin liturgy, for any foreigner can take part without feeling completely out of it.

One has got the Tridentine Mass every Sunday. I know lots of people here are looking for Traditional Latin Mass communities that are [u][b]not[/b][/u] of the SSPX but in full communion with Rome.
The other Carmel has got probably the strictest enclosure I've ever seen, well 'coz there's not much to see from the outside
The third one has got the 1991 constitutions but a miracle took place there, and it's so holy and faithful to its constitutions.

I thought it was worth it mentioning these 3, as they don't have a website.
The one in Italy is probably stricter than the other three and definitely doesn't have an internet presence.
Of course, I took lots of pictures of all I could. I can send them privatly. If I get caught publishing photos of Carmels I might get into trouble.

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[Maximilianus]

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Edited July 1, 2011 by Maximilianus

[faithcecelia]

[quote name='Maximilianus' timestamp='1309550927' post='2261703']
Besides the Brazilian Carmelites I came across that go by ECarm, are there any other Carmels that use the traditional Carmelite rite? Anybody know... Bueller, Bueller, Bueller
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Technically the term Carmel is only used for Carmelite nuns and I *think* OCarm sisters are sisters not nuns. So there may well be OCarm Carmelite Monasteries but not actual Carmels. And yes, I am nitpicking - I have nearly a bottle of pink wine in my tummy tonight!

Edited July 1, 2011 by faithcecelia

[Maximilianus]

[quote name='faithcecelia' timestamp='1309551210' post='2261708']
Technically the term Carmel is only used for Carmelite nuns and I *think* OCarm sisters are sisters not nuns. So there may well be OCarm Carmelite Monasteries but not actual Carmels. And yes, I am nitpicking - I have nearly a bottle of pink wine in my tummy tonight!
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Okay

[FutureSister2009]

If I really REALLY wanted to be in Carmel, that's the kind I would go for.

[faithcecelia]

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Okay
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Sorry, I'm a bit giggly I am staying in the safety of Vocation Station tonight!

[Maximilianus]

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Sorry, I'm a bit giggly I am staying in the safety of Vocation Station tonight!
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Okay

[Chiquitunga]

[quote name='faithcecelia' timestamp='1309551210' post='2261708']
Technically the term Carmel is only used for Carmelite nuns and I *think* OCarm sisters are sisters not nuns. So there may well be OCarm Carmelite Monasteries but not actual Carmels. And yes, I am nitpicking - I have nearly a bottle of pink wine in my tummy tonight!
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There are OCarm cloistered nuns (in Solemn Vows) who refer to their monasteries as Carmels too - a couple of them .. [url="http://carmelitenuns.net/"]Allentown, PA[/url] (and their new site: http://www.carmelite-nuns.com/) & [url="http://dane.weber.org/carmelofmary/"]Wahpeton, ND[/url]

Edited July 1, 2011 by Chiquitunga

[Chiquitunga]

[quote name='Studiumecclesiae' timestamp='1309550533' post='2261701']
Kirk Edge has the divine office and the mass in English.

The carmels I'm talking about can be interesting for their latin liturgy, for any foreigner can take part without feeling completely out of it.

One has got the Tridentine Mass every Sunday. I know lots of people here are looking for Traditional Latin Mass communities that are [u][b]not[/b][/u] of the SSPX but in full communion with Rome.
The other Carmel has got probably the strictest enclosure I've ever seen, well 'coz there's not much to see from the outside
The third one has got the 1991 constitutions but a miracle took place there, and it's so holy and faithful to its constitutions.

I thought it was worth it mentioning these 3, as they don't have a website.
The one in Italy is probably stricter than the other three and definitely doesn't have an internet presence.
Of course, I took lots of pictures of all I could. I can send them privatly. If I get caught publishing photos of Carmels I might get into trouble.

[i]StudiumEcclesiae[/i]
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Can you share with us the location of these Carmels? Is one the Carmel of the Holy Cure of Ars? In the US we also have a number of very strictly enclosed OCD nuns who have the Latin Mass/and/or chant the full Office in Latin/or use a lot of Latin - but it's always good to learn of the others overseas, especially as not everyone on VS is in the US/ or UK. This google web album has some good information on a number of them: https://picasaweb.google.com/ocdnuns

Also, as long as we're on the subject, I just learned the other day the Carmel in Goonellabah, Australia (1991 Constitutions) has a Traditional Latin Mass once a month - http://www.flowerofcarmel.com/

[DevotedtoHim]

I just found this really beautiful video: http://www.spreadia.com/Cure_d'Ars/57889184/Dialogue_Carmel_holy_Cure_of_Ars_a_film_by_JC_Guerguy_party_4

I wonder if there is a part one, two and three? I can't tell.

Katherine

[faithcecelia]

[quote name='Chiquitunga' timestamp='1309555230' post='2261739']
There are OCarm cloistered nuns (in Solemn Vows) who refer to their monasteries as Carmels too - a couple of them .. [url="http://carmelitenuns.net/"]Allentown, PA[/url] (and their new site: [url="http://www.carmelite-nuns.com/"]http://www.carmelite-nuns.com/[/url]) & [url="http://dane.weber.org/carmelofmary/"]Wahpeton, ND[/url]
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What an interesting community (Allentown). They are O Carm yet follow very much an OCD horarium and most of their website is talking about OCD saints. Very interesting indeed. Thanks for posting this, I will read in in more detail when I can.

[Studiumecclesiae]

[quote name='DevotedtoHim' timestamp='1309563219' post='2261795']
I just found this really beautiful video: [url="http://www.spreadia.com/Cure_d%27Ars/57889184/Dialogue_Carmel_holy_Cure_of_Ars_a_film_by_JC_Guerguy_party_4"]http://www.spreadia.com/Cure_d'Ars/57889184/Dialogue_Carmel_holy_Cure_of_Ars_a_film_by_JC_Guerguy_party_4[/url]

I wonder if there is a part one, two and three? I can't tell.

Katherine
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No the 3 Carmels I'm thinking of have no internet presence: no photos online, no video, only on the Carmel official website you can find an address.
That's all. I was captivated, and no far, so I went round to visit. I got stuck! There are very traditional Carmels, completely hidden from the world!! But so ever attractive.

One is round Normandy. The other two are not far from Paris.
I can't say more as it is a public forum.

But one has got the Tridentine Mass every Sunday. The divine office in French for the little hours and in Latin for Lauds, Vespers and Compline. Strict papal enclosure, constitutions of 1990. Open to foreign vocations provided that they have the basics in French.

Another one has all the liturgy in Latin with Paul VI's mass with the proper sung in Latin. Strict enclosure too. Same reverence for the Holy Eucharist, etc.

A third one has got the 1991 constitutions and is VERY faithful to it. I don't know is anyone here on Vocation Station is looking for such.

These three Carmels (and Ars as well, so it makes 4 in France) are very faithful to strict papal enclosure and don't belong to any confederation. Because in France, the federations in Carmels encourage them to remove the grilles, give up the Latin, etc.

So.... any one interested? Come on, you can start with French or go back to it.

[i]StudiumEcclesiae[/i]

[Yaatee]

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No the 3 Carmels I'm thinking of have no internet presence: no photos online, no video, only on the Carmel official website you can find an address.
That's all. I was captivated, and no far, so I went round to visit. I got stuck! There are very traditional Carmels, completely hidden from the world!! But so ever attractive.

One is round Normandy. The other two are not far from Paris.
I can't say more as it is a public forum.

But one has got the Tridentine Mass every Sunday. The divine office in French for the little hours and in Latin for Lauds, Vespers and Compline. Strict papal enclosure, constitutions of 1990. Open to foreign vocations provided that they have the basics in French.

Another one has all the liturgy in Latin with Paul VI's mass with the proper sung in Latin. Strict enclosure too. Same reverence for the Holy Eucharist, etc.

A third one has got the 1991 constitutions and is VERY faithful to it. I don't know is anyone here on Vocation Station is looking for such.

These three Carmels (and Ars as well, so it makes 4 in France) are very faithful to strict papal enclosure and don't belong to any confederation. Because in France, the federations in Carmels encourage them to remove the grilles, give up the Latin, etc.

So.... any one interested? Come on, you can start with French or go back to it.

[i]StudiumEcclesiae[/i]
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My only comment is that, especially in intense, small cloistered monasteries, the absolute mastery of the language would appear to be a prerequisite. If one reads of the intense conversations between FaithCecilia and the prioress at Notting Hill, for example, you get an example of what heart-to-heart conversations are necessary and even routine in everyday cloistered life.

If one were to consider one of these French Carmelts, it might be best to move to France for a year of French immersion before entering.