Cam42 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 So, returning to the discussion at hand...I really can't support this priest's actions. I have shown how I think that it is inappropriate and borderline sacrilegious. I have yet to hear a response which adequately justifies his actions. This is all so very simple, but the priest had to make it complicated by acting in a manner that is not consistent with accepted liturgical norms. Had he transported the Blessed Sacrament in the way prescribed by the Church to that location, there would be no issue. As it is, he did not and he opened himself up to scrutiny. Maybe he was trying to be controversial. Maybe he was trying to be a lightning rod, I understand that, but the Blessed Sacrament is never to be used in that way or in that manner. The Blessed Sacrament is to be an outward sign to bring about Grace, not a political statement or a lightning rod. That is neither a valid means nor a valid end to the Most Holy Eucharist. That is why I find it deplorable. Had the priest organized and had a Eucharistic procession, it would be totally different. Neither the means nor the end of a Eucharistic procession is to be political or to be shocking. The means and end of a Eucharistic procession is to show the world through solemn exposition and procession that Christ is in the World and available to all. While having public adoration and exposition and benediction is a wonderful thing and I highly support and recommend it to be done often, subjecting the Blessd Sacrament to and relegating it to a "flash mob" is not acceptable, by Catholic standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeology cat Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 [quote name='TeresaBenedicta' timestamp='1309237816' post='2259449'] Seriously, though. I'll repeat what I said before. I think that this sort of simple exposition could be extremely powerful... but it really should be done according to the norm, following liturgical guidelines. I think the scenario(s) I posted earlier would be appropriate. It seems to me, at least, that a large and full out Procession absolutely has its place... but also that something small and simple can be quite effective as well. [/quote] I'm inclined to agree. I wish processions were more common, too, though. They aren't exactly common in NW England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 As an aside, the size of a procession has only to to with the number of faithful who enjoin the procession. The procession itself has rubrics which must be followed. They are the same regardless of number of "processors." MC Processional Cross two candles 6 torches thurifer 4 canopy bearers 4 lanterns bell ringer Priest vested in cassock/surplice or alb with humeral veil, cope and stole Those are the ministers absolutely necessary. Outside that the rest are optional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 [quote name='Cam42' timestamp='1309285005' post='2259761'] As an aside, the size of a procession has only to to with the number of faithful who enjoin the procession. The procession itself has rubrics which must be followed. They are the same regardless of number of "processors." MC Processional Cross two candles 6 torches thurifer 4 canopy bearers 4 lanterns bell ringer Priest vested in cassock/surplice or alb with humeral veil, cope and stole Those are the ministers absolutely necessary. Outside that the rest are optional. [/quote] Was it incorrect for my FSSP parish to use a canopy that only needed one person to hold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
To Jesus Through Mary Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 [size="2"]I wanted to say I agree with Cam on this one. I really LOVE Eucharistic Processions and how when we bring Jesus to the streets beautiful things happen. I don't think we need to sensationalize it or go out of the norm in order to grab at[/size][font="Arial"][size="2"]tention. In fact the norm (Eucharistic procession) would grab a great deal more attention then what the friar did, if that is what they were going for. [/size][/font][font="Arial"][size="2"]I don’t see why he had to keep him in a duffel bag or why they wanted the surprise element. I am sure the friar desired for Jesus to be exulted, adored, and loved. But I just do not see how beginning and ending in that form was helpful to that at all. [/size][/font] [font="Arial"][size="2"] [/size][/font] [font="Arial"][size="2"]Imagine if you had no idea who the Blessed Sacrament was, if you had never heard the story of Jesus (and in Europe that is not too far fetched of an idea), what would your take if you walked upon this mid-way. You hear these amazing descriptions from these books you have never heard of (but they gave me goose bumps), you see all these people adoring, and you are just trying to figure it out, then he sticks what everyone had been adoring in a bag and walked away. What would that person be left with? But a procession leads to and from a church, with such great reverence. That person could literally be led to where he needs to go to find this Jesus. There is obviously something special about this for such a great sign of respect to be made. What does sticking him in a duffel bag do? What kind of message does it send?[/size][/font] [font="Arial"][size="2"] [/size][/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1309285088' post='2259765'] Was it incorrect for my FSSP parish to use a canopy that only needed one person to hold? [/quote] No, that is a matter of style of the canopy. Although typically, the umbrellino is used only when processing around the interior of the church. The four post canopy is most often used outside, although this is not a hard and fast rule....they can be used interchangeably. The same purpose is served. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 [quote name='To Jesus Through Mary' timestamp='1309285177' post='2259766'] [size="2"]I wanted to say I agree with Cam on this one. I really LOVE Eucharistic Processions and how when we bring Jesus to the streets beautiful things happen. I don't think we need to sensationalize it or go out of the norm in order to grab at[/size][font="Arial"][size="2"]tention. In fact the norm (Eucharistic procession) would grab a great deal more attention then what the friar did, if that is what they were going for. [/size][/font][font="Arial"][size="2"]I don't see why he had to keep him in a duffel bag or why they wanted the surprise element. I am sure the friar desired for Jesus to be exulted, adored, and loved. But I just do not see how beginning and ending in that form was helpful to that at all. [/size][/font] [font="Arial"] [/font] [font="Arial"][size="2"]Imagine if you had no idea who the Blessed Sacrament was, if you had never heard the story of Jesus (and in Europe that is not too far fetched of an idea), what would your take if you walked upon this mid-way. You hear these amazing descriptions from these books you have never heard of (but they gave me goose bumps), you see all these people adoring, and you are just trying to figure it out, then he sticks what everyone had been adoring in a bag and walked away. What would that person be left with? But a procession leads to and from a church, with such great reverence. That person could literally be led to where he needs to go to find this Jesus. There is obviously something special about this for such a great sign of respect to be made. What does sticking him in a duffel bag do? What kind of message does it send?[/size][/font] [font="Arial"] [/font] [/quote] This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 [quote name='Cam42' timestamp='1309290090' post='2259831'] No, that is a matter of style of the canopy. Although typically, the umbrellino is used only when processing around the interior of the church. The four post canopy is most often used outside, although this is not a hard and fast rule....they can be used interchangeably. The same purpose is served. [/quote] They weren't sure if they'd have to stay inside because of weather. Plus we probably don't have a four post canopy... although I might be surprised if I saw all the stuff they have stored away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1309290216' post='2259835'] They weren't sure if they'd have to stay inside because of weather. Plus we probably don't have a four post canopy... although I might be surprised if I saw all the stuff they have stored away. [/quote] They prolly do...the umbrellino is much rarer...so chances are they have both... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 [quote name='Cam42' timestamp='1309290642' post='2259838'] They prolly do...the umbrellino is much rarer...so chances are they have both... [/quote] It was quite lovely. Shiny white silk with beautiful embroidery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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