Cam42 Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 [quote name='thessalonian' timestamp='1309209317' post='2259201'] "In a pix. placed inside a leather pouch with a string on it placed next to the heart" Maybe it was a leather duffle bag.. Just kidding. It would be nice if the Church made some appropriate carrier for the monstance, I agree. A duffle bag may not be the best. I doubt any disrespect was intended and the priest was sure reverent when he took it out. [/quote] They do. they are usually hard cases....but the Blessed Sacrament wouldn't be carried in the hard case either.... I could care less about the monstrance...that is just a nice piece of metal which holds our Lord. I'm much more concerned about the Blessed Sacrament itself. Not to mention the fact there are ceremonies which govern how we are to expose and repose the Blessed Sacrament...which obviously were not followed. It is the disrespect shown toward the Blessed Sacrament that I take issue with....it is extreme and utterly indefensible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 (edited) [quote name='TeresaBenedicta' timestamp='1309209505' post='2259202'] A quick repose of the Blessed Sacrament to a pyx would've removed any question of scandal. [/quote] I have to disagree...the fact there was not the proper protocols followed for exposition, Benediction and reposition of the Blessed Sacrament followed, I would have to say that the whole action was wholly inappropriate and did not show proper reverence toward Our Lord. There are proper modes of expression...this was not one of them. [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05713a.htm"]defense[/url] [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02465b.htm"]defense[/url] Where was the solemnity due the Blessed Sacrament...????? Edited June 27, 2011 by Cam42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 That was weird. [quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1309206742' post='2259191'] I think what the diocese of NY and the CFR Franciscans did was more awesomer: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX5X2cXMh0o[/media] [/quote] Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 [quote name='Cam42' timestamp='1309205979' post='2259186'] I'm including both Cities, because that is the politically correct thing to do, right? It is the Archdiocese of St. Paul AND MINNEAPOLIS, if I remember correctly. I'm sorry that I haven't lived there in 10 years. I suppose I could say just St. Paul, but then again, I would be alienating all of the people from the other parts of the Twin Cities (which is also a misnomer, too, right?) who come to process.... So, let's not split hairs....and I seriously hope that you don't misspell a word anytime soon, because I will be there to beat you down with a dictionary, O Super-sarcastic one. [/quote] What's up with the name-calling? One minute you're charitable - even KIND - and the next you're verbally attacking people. Come ON. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmaD2006 Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Cam42' timestamp='1309200873' post='2259131'] In a pix. placed inside a leather pouch with a string on it placed next to the heart. And it shouldn't just be people, it should be a priest (or deacon). A lay minister cannot give viaticum. [/quote] but a lay extraordinary minister of the Eucharist can take communion to those who are sick as requested by the parish. Edited June 27, 2011 by cmariadiaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 (edited) [quote name='franciscanheart' timestamp='1309210953' post='2259213'] What's up with the name-calling? One minute you're charitable - even KIND - and the next you're verbally attacking people. Come ON. [/quote] It's called sarcasm...and it's not like she hasn't been sarcastic with me recently.... Edited June 27, 2011 by Cam42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 [quote name='cmariadiaz' timestamp='1309211325' post='2259220'] but a lay extraordinary minister of the Eucharist can take communion to those who are sick as requested by the parish. [/quote] Where did I say that they couldn't. They just can't give viaticum.... I wish people would stop putting words in my mouth and assuming things I haven't said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 [quote name='Cam42' timestamp='1309209736' post='2259205'] It is the disrespect shown toward the Blessed Sacrament that I take issue with....it is extreme and utterly indefensible... [/quote] This statement implies that this is how you feel about the priest, and I think this is a bit unfair. Although it may have been disrespectful to carry the Blessed Sacrament in a bag, it's quite obvious that the priest's intentions were not to be disrespectful, so to say that what he did was disrespectful, extreme and indefensible, is going a bit overboard in my opinion. Regarding getting people to see it your way, I think there is a point in which you lose an argument by being so vehemently opposed to acknowledging any glimmer of understanding to the opposing viewpoint. I think most people will just flip the off switch instead of actually listening to what you are saying. In all honesty, I see no difference between reverently (which the priest was) carrying the Eucharist inside of a monstrance, inside of a bag, and carrying the Eucharist inside of a pyx, inside of a pocket. Neither is a procession fit for a King, yet, the church allows the latter, so I don't think it is such an extreme stretch to think that the bishop would have allowed this--which it is his right to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrestia Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 [quote name='Cam42' timestamp='1309211640' post='2259223'] Where did I say that they couldn't. They just can't give viaticum.... I wish people would stop putting words in my mouth and assuming things I haven't said. [/quote] Defensive much? She was just clarifying for those who don't have your vocabulary. No words put in anyones mouth. As far as the topic of the thread is concerned, I'm not a fan of breaking rules - even the ones that may seem little. IMHO, it was a great idea poorly executed. However, Jesus was there and He's really good at turning our pathetic attempts into successes. I guess I'm saying that I'll take a poorly executed attempt over nothing, with hopes that He will make it better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 [quote name='Cam42' timestamp='1309211640' post='2259223'] Where did I say that they couldn't. They just can't give viaticum.... [/quote] Why would the church even care if the EMHC's gave male performance drugs to people, and does this have anything to do with that "hemorrhoids of rupture" thing you are always talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo the Wanderer Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 [quote name='Cam42' timestamp='1309211640' post='2259223'] Where did I say that they couldn't. They just can't give viaticum.... [/quote] Actually, we can. from Ritual for Laypersons: Rites for Holy Communion and the Pastoral Care of the Sick and Dying: 57 The ordinary ministers of viaticum are the pastor and his assistantsm chaplains, and, for all staying in the house, the superior in clerical religious institutes or societies of apostolic life. In case of necessity or with at least the presumed mission of the competant minister, any priest or deacon is to give viaticum, or, if no ordained minister is available, any member of the faithful who has been duly appointed. As to the duffel bag, if you blow up the image you can see the image of a monstrance on the side. Looks to me like it specially made for transporting the monstrance in use. Is this the ideal way to do it? no. Does it detract from a normal Eucharistic procession? no. No more than this detracts from celebrating mass on a proper altar with reredo and the proper number of candlesticks, servers, and attendants: [img]http://media.kansas.com/smedia/2009/10/01/17/kapaunemilmass.slideshow_main.prod_affiliate.80.JPG[/img] Desperate times call for desperate measures. I am sure ALL of us can agree that we live in desperate times. So many need to see Jesus and hear His message of hope and love. I remember reading once about one of the medieval saints. I apologize I do not remember which, so I cannot find the reference. As I recall he was speaking with a youger priest who had remarked how beautiful the Church is and so filled with saints. He asked the older priest if it would always be so. The elder replied that he had been granted visions of the future church. He said that the people will not be as reverent nor as well versed in the traditions and trappings of the Church in their day. Many would fall away from faith. The youger priest was aghast. He asked then if the Church would produce any saints in that future time. The older priest stopped walking, turned to him and said Oh yes indeed. And they we be far greater saints than we have now. You see, we fight Satan chained. They, those of lesser reverence, will fight him unleashed on the world. Seems to me we live in those times foretold many centuries ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmaD2006 Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 [quote name='Cam42' timestamp='1309211640' post='2259223'] Where did I say that they couldn't. They just can't give viaticum.... I wish people would stop putting words in my mouth and assuming things I haven't said. [/quote] yeah ... but in the original post it spoke about going to hospitals and nursing homes. Nothing said about giving people viaticum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmaD2006 Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 [quote name='Groo the Wanderer' timestamp='1309213044' post='2259231'] Actually, we can. from Ritual for Laypersons: Rites for Holy Communion and the Pastoral Care of the Sick and Dying: 57 The ordinary ministers of viaticum are the pastor and his assistantsm chaplains, and, for all staying in the house, the superior in clerical religious institutes or societies of apostolic life. In case of necessity or with at least the presumed mission of the competant minister, any priest or deacon is to give viaticum, or, if no ordained minister is available, any member of the faithful who has been duly appointed. As to the duffel bag, if you blow up the image you can see the image of a monstrance on the side. Looks to me like it specially made for transporting the monstrance in use. Is this the ideal way to do it? no. Does it detract from a normal Eucharistic procession? no. No more than this detracts from celebrating mass on a proper altar with reredo and the proper number of candlesticks, servers, and attendants: [img]http://media.kansas.com/smedia/2009/10/01/17/kapaunemilmass.slideshow_main.prod_affiliate.80.JPG[/img] Desperate times call for desperate measures. I am sure ALL of us can agree that we live in desperate times. So many need to see Jesus and hear His message of hope and love. I remember reading once about one of the medieval saints. I apologize I do not remember which, so I cannot find the reference. As I recall he was speaking with a youger priest who had remarked how beautiful the Church is and so filled with saints. He asked the older priest if it would always be so. The elder replied that he had been granted visions of the future church. He said that the people will not be as reverent nor as well versed in the traditions and trappings of the Church in their day. Many would fall away from faith. The youger priest was aghast. He asked then if the Church would produce any saints in that future time. The older priest stopped walking, turned to him and said Oh yes indeed. And they we be far greater saints than we have now. You see, we fight Satan chained. They, those of lesser reverence, will fight him unleashed on the world. Seems to me we live in those times foretold many centuries ago... [/quote] Groo ... I love you. amesome post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeresaBenedicta Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 [quote name='Cam42' timestamp='1309200873' post='2259131'] In a pix. placed inside a leather pouch with a string on it placed next to the heart. And it shouldn't just be people, it should be a priest (or deacon). A lay minister cannot give viaticum. [/quote] Which was in response to dUst's post: [quote]How do people take the Blessed Sacrament to the sick? I don't see many Eucharistic Processions going into hospitals and nursing homes.[/quote] That might be why people thought you were saying lay people can't take the Blessed Sacrament to the sick. In your original post, you said it should be a priest or a deacon. There are other reasons to take the Blessed Sacrament to the sick beyond viaticum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 I think what is truly disturbing about this video, is that :47 seconds in, the guy in the wheelchair gets attacked by a giant cockroach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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