Luigi Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1309014061' post='2258594'] There's an idea. Wonder what we would call it? [/quote] Phriend of the Phamily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmaD2006 Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 [quote name='Totus Tuus' timestamp='1309028274' post='2258668'] I think having a board for it would be great, because I don't think the mods have enough time on their hands to be closing threads all the time. Honestly, the reason I only come on PM periodically anymore is because of how it's gotten with Catholics arguing with each other all the time. That's not why I joined a Catholic message board. This place used to feel more like a haven from the craziness of the world where you could just chill with some Catholic homies. Now, even your homies can be your enemies. And that ain't cool yo. [/quote] Agreed, agreed, agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 [quote name='Luigi' timestamp='1309061917' post='2258830'] Phriend of the Phamily. [/quote] me like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totus Tuus Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 [quote name='Luigi' timestamp='1309061917' post='2258830'] Phriend of the Phamily. [/quote] I really like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest johnnyc Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 Ah! An opportunity for a first post. I would be against Catholic v. Catholic debate. I am a little confused right now in my spiritual journey. I'm not sure what the Lord is doing in my life right now. Also feel a little foolish because I would think I'm at an age where I would have this figured out by now. Anyway....I would rather not have Catholic v Catholic debate but I guess I would go with the OP's #2 selection for those that want to engage in that. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 I voted for Phamily Matters simply because it makes me think of the sitcom, with Steve Urkel. [i]*snort* *snort* Hey Laura! Isn't this chapel beautiful? Oh Steve, this is the SSPX! I thought we were going to the FSSP![/i] But in all seriousness the whole Catholic v. Catholic issues seem very murky for a lot of us on the outside, and if there wasn't a forum for it, I would at least like to know where I could read more about the issues being debated. I would support such a forum if there's a way that people could learn from it. And if it doesn't go well, you can always nix the whole thing in the end, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cherie Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 [quote name='Ash Wednesday' timestamp='1309120715' post='2258905'] I would support such a forum if there's a way that people could learn from it. [/quote] I agree with this; I know when there are debates, people tend to get heated, angry, sarcastic, etc. etc. ... but that's not the way it should be. I think we can learn from debates like that (and work on our VIRTUE in the process!) so I'd support a forum for that. That way, people who hate it can avoid it, and others who would be interested can take part. I grew up nominally Catholic, and certain "debates" like that helped me understand our Faith better. I love debating, and although I haven't always been charitable, it's a good opportunity to work on becoming more virtuous when dealing with differences of opinion. Even moreso on the internet, because it takes time to type ... and that's time that can be spent "cooling down". I don't know, it seems to me it's like part of the Catholic grout kind of thing ... you know, certain "kinds" of Catholics do this or think this, while this other "kind" leans more this way ... and for me, I like that kind of information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 I think it is best if everyone can read the CvC forum, rather than just C.M.s. Maybe make it read-only for non-C.M.s, as Iggy suggested. I benefitted most of all from the CvC debates when I was still learning about the orthodox expression of the Faith. I do not know what might have happened to me if I had not had the opportunity to learn from those debates. Since that board would be open to be read by non-C.M.s, maybe a disclaimer when entering the forum would be appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Flower Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 Well I would like to cast my vote for #2 And how do you go about getting a Church Militant tag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1308943101' post='2258172'] Catholic Death Match [/quote] We just need to find a place to arrange cage fights. Contrary to popular liberal opinion, most problems can be solved with violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1308968362' post='2258355'] I think people should stop throwing hissy fits. [/quote] + 100,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Little Flower' timestamp='1309124472' post='2258916'] Well I would like to cast my vote for #2 And how do you go about getting a Church Militant tag? [/quote] [s]You have to buy dUSt a pet monkey.[/s] I think you're nominated by other posters with the Church Militant/Church Scholar tag. Nomination threads come up every so often. Welcome to Phatmass! Edited June 26, 2011 by Ash Wednesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 (edited) [quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1308937853' post='2258140'] OK, so the "No Catholic vs Catholic debate" rule has been a long standing rule here at phatmass for quite some time. I've explained the reasons for this rule many many times, with the main reason being, the debates often cause scandal, and can easily be misinterpreted by non-Catholics, young Catholics, and lukewarm Catholics who may be struggling with their faith. Basically, the debates often turn into the equivalent of "airing our dirty laundry", and I just didn't want phatmass to be a venue for that. I've never said these types of discussions shouldn't exist, but rather, I didn't want phatmass to be consumed by them. So, with that said, [b]we still have a problem with Catholic vs Catholic debate occurring in the phorum[/b]. Just look. It's all over the place. I've put a lot of thought into this, and I see one of two things happening: [list=1] [*]I instruct my mods to start enforcing the Catholic vs Catholic rule a lot more strictly, issuing warnings for violaters (on [b]both[/b] sides of the argument), with suspensions to follow [*]I create a board specifically for Catholic vs Catholic debate. This board would have the following restrictions: Non-viewable by the public. Only viewable by Church Militant and above (so non-Catholics and new members would not even see it) [/list] If option number two is the consensus, [b]ALL[/b] phorum rules would still apply, [b]except[/b] the Catholic vs Catholic rule. Personal attacks, negative criticism, profanity, etc, etc... All of those rules would still be enforced. In other words, this would not be another "Back Alley" where bad threads are moved. Anyway, at this point, I'd like some feedback and perspective. I want to eliminate Catholic vs Catholic debate from the public view one way or the other, because it has gotten way out of hand. I'm still struggling with the best approach. Either way, there will be some people who are unhappy. Help pham! [/quote] In all seriousness, I've always seen a discrepancy in what kind of "Catholic vs. Catholic" debate is allowed on this forum. It seems the only kind of debate that is censored is that concerning "rad-trad" or "right-wing" issues - such as debates over the Old Latin Mass vs. Novus Ordo, Vatican II, and such. On the other hand, it is not uncommon here for "liberal Catholics" to post dissenting views from Church moral or theological teaching - especially in areas regarding sexual morality and life issues - yet "Catholic vs. Catholic" debates on these topics are rarely if ever locked or censored. I'm not claiming Phatmass condones or endorses such heretical liberal viewpoints - merely that debate is allowed between self-avowed "Catholics" on such topics without any censorship as "Catholic vs. Catholic" debate. Personally, I' m not a "rad-trad" (though I do have traditionalists leanings and currently attend a FSSP parish), and I certainly don't support groups such as the SSPX, and I'm not trying to be an arse, I've just noticed a definitive double-standard on Phatmass regarding what kind of dissent is allowed to be posted, and what is censored as "Catholic v. Catholic" debate, which I really don't understand. It just seems to me that if we're going to censor debate over the Novus Ordo mass and such as a cause of scandal, to be consistent, we should also censor debate between "Catholics" over homosexuality and contraception, for instance. I think in the "real world," dissent over such moral issues (as well as "modernist" theological opinions which are also allowed to be posted on here without censorship) within the Church causes far more scandal and confusion. I'm personally against censorship of debate threads simply on the grounds of content of discussion (unless it is inappropriate for being obscene or such), and we do have the "Church Militant" and "I don't rep the Pope" tags, but if you really think we must avoid any "Catholic vs. Catholic" debate on the grounds of avoiding scandal, we should at least be consistent in enforcing such rules to include "left-wing" as well as "right-wing" dissent. And how do you define "Catholic vs. Catholic" debate anyway? - It seems there are many areas in which Catholics can legitimately hold differing opinions. It would definitely not be productive to try to eliminate all disagreement between Catholics on any topic. Edited June 26, 2011 by Socrates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 [quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1309126273' post='2258921'] Personally, I' m not a "rad-trad" (though I do have traditionalists leanings and currently attend a FSSP parish), and I certainly don't support groups such as the SSPX, and I'm not trying to be an arse, I've just noticed a definitive double-standard on Phatmass regarding what kind of dissent is allowed to be posted, and what is censored as "Catholic v. Catholic" debate, which I really don't understand. [/quote] I agree with his entire post, especially the quoted part... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted June 27, 2011 Author Share Posted June 27, 2011 [quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1309126273' post='2258921'] It just seems to me that if we're going to censor debate over the Novus Ordo mass and such as a cause of scandal, to be consistent, we should also censor debate between "Catholics" over homosexuality and contraception, for instance. I think in the "real world," dissent over such moral issues (as well as "modernist" theological opinions which are also allowed to be posted on here without censorship) within the Church causes far more scandal and confusion. [/quote] Please link me to an example. I don't know of any threads where phatmass Catholics are arguing in favor of homosexuality and contraception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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