IgnatiusofLoyola Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 (edited) Having a separate board for Church Militants means that I, as a non-Catholic will not get a realistic view of the Catholic church. I may see some debate among Catholics on other threads, but otherwise it will be a "Disneyland" view of Catholicism--pretty and nicely scrubbed, but not very real. And, if the name of the Church militant board has the word "phamily" in it, that's a pretty blatant statement of who is part of the Phatmass "phamily" and who isn't. I'll still post because there are some people here I have come to care for. But, if Catholicism is "the answer," why do the "real" Catholics have to hide in an "invisible" forum? I know Catholics disagree. Last time I looked, Catholics are people, and people disagree. I have no problem with disagreement among Catholics. My problem is when people call each other names or otherwise act disrespectfully to each other. But, that shouldn't happen on any forum, visible or not. Edited June 25, 2011 by IgnatiusofLoyola Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG45 Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 I'd kind of prefer one to be created, just so I could avoid it instead of finding it all over the place. Plus it would save from having to enforce a crackdown on the rule everywhere on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 I think people should stop throwing hissy fits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CephaDrigan Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 If a separate board for Church Militants would be created, I think that it still should be viewable by the public, even if it has to say something about use with caution. I'm not a Church Militant, but I still like to look at those catholic v. catholic debates because it still helps out with apologetics. So make it something where maybe only church militants and up can comment, but still let everybody view it, else you end up only giving a very selective window to Catholicism to non-Catholics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 [quote name='CephaDrigan' timestamp='1308970171' post='2258358'] If a separate board for Church Militants would be created, I think that it still should be viewable by the public, even if it has to say something about use with caution. I'm not a Church Militant, but I still like to look at those catholic v. catholic debates because it still helps out with apologetics. So make it something where maybe only church militants and up can comment, but still let everybody view it, else you end up only giving a very selective window to Catholicism to non-Catholics. [/quote] I like that idea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 [quote name='CatherineM' timestamp='1308953851' post='2258292'] And this is the problem I see with Catholic v. Catholic debate. If I don't see things the way you do, I am wrong, and therefore not entitled to my opinion. If I don't like chant, or Latin liturgy, or kneeling to receive communion, then I have committed a fallacy. I'm going to dinner with my husband now, and I will certainly be eating babies. That is what you think I do, right? [/quote] This is exactly right. Throwing documents at each other til one side gets tired and gives in is not conducive: " I'll throw in two more pope quotes, against your 3 saint quotes" because one side will just dogpile it on because its your way or nothing. People make everything thing TOTALLY essential or its wrong, and the church simply doesn't function that way. How is it compatable with this? 1 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give away all I have, and if I deliver my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing. 4 Love is patient and kind; love is not jealous or boastful; 5 it is not arrogant or rude. Love does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; 6 it does not rejoice at wrong, but rejoices in the right. 7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. 8 Love never ends; as for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For our knowledge is imperfect and our prophecy is imperfect; 10 but when the perfect comes, the imperfect will pass away. 11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child; when I became a man, I gave up childish ways. 12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall understand fully, even as I have been fully understood. 13 So faith, hope, love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dells_of_bittersweet Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 I think the real moderation issue is not that Catholic v. Catholic debates, but all the negativity and personal attacks (as well as poorly done sarcasm) that seem to fill over half of each discussion page. Fix this first; I think we're setting a terrible example. See my new thread on this at the debate table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenciledOne Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 [quote name='CatherineM' timestamp='1308961024' post='2258330'] I realize that. You guys are both much better Catholics than I am. You are more devout, more reverent, and more observant. I'm just a back row pew warmer content with kumbya music and priests who would have flunked out of seminary but for the priest shortage. That is what all the Catholic on Catholic debate is about around here, isn't it? About who are the best Catholics. Who have memorized the most ancient church documents. I can't compete. I don't have Pope Benedict on speed dial. I bow to your amesomeness. Sorry if I seem cranky. I've spent the whole day having people fawn over me, and I truly hate it. I think the special forum is a great idea because I will be able to steer clear of it. It will allow me to avoid feeling like everyone thinks I'm a bad Catholic because I can't kneel. [/quote] (not meant as patronizing, I just agree entirely) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AccountDeleted Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 I agree there needs to be a place where Catholic vs Catholic can 'air their dirty laundry' without causing scandal, but I worry about using any of the 'phamily' titles because it makes the phorum seem exclusionary to those who consider themselves part of the 'phamily' even though they aren't Catholic. If you remember, Iggy became very upset over the Back Alley phorums because she couldn't access them and this made her feel left out. If the name of the phorum reflects that it is not a 'clique' for Catholics but a place for Catholics who need to address some concerns privately without causing scandal to others, then perhaps the bad feelings won't occur. I don't know because people can get offended at almost anything, but it would be good not to give the appearance that this place is for the 'select few' when in reality it is a 'safe place' for those who have things to get off their chests. So I have opted for the Dirty Laundromat. It is specific and describes the situation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1308968362' post='2258355'] I think people should stop throwing hissy fits. [/quote] Agreed! Wait. Are we talking about me again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 How 'bout Cat Fight? Or better yet.... Dog-ma Eat Dog-ma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG45 Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 I voted Dirty Laundromat, it doesn't seem exclusionary like the Pham things might to outsiders, just...self explanatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vee Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1308968362' post='2258355'] I think people should stop throwing hissy fits. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil'Monster Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 [quote name='vee8' timestamp='1308981213' post='2258479'] [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgnatiusofLoyola Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 (edited) [quote name='vee8' timestamp='1308981213' post='2258479'] [/quote] I wouldn't mind the creation of a "church militant" debate board as long as: --It was limited to detailed, advanced debates on church dogma, teaching, and practice, and --[b]The board wasn't hidden. [/b] Debate between Catholics is part of the reality of the Catholic church. I rarely participate in these debates, but sometimes I learn something, if only about the participants. [b]I also think that the title shouldn't have the word "phamily" in it,[/b] because I don't think dUSt sees church militants as the only important members of the Phatmass "phamily." I liked Luigi's "dogma eat dogma" as one example of an alternate title. I'm sure we could come up with others. And, Vee8, those Carmelites are affecting you. What kind of wussy hissy fit is that? Now THIS is a hissy fit! [img]http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn264/DGeorge758/reaction.gif[/img] Edited June 25, 2011 by IgnatiusofLoyola Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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