InPersonaChriste Posted June 25, 2011 Author Share Posted June 25, 2011 [quote name='Cam42' timestamp='1308931006' post='2258108'] So....you're saying this is a bro-mance thing....much like what jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff) (the artist formerly known as hot stuff) and I have? [/quote] I dont think I am catching on to your meaning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 (edited) [quote name='InPersonaChriste' timestamp='1308973108' post='2258387'] I dont think I am catching on to your meaning... [/quote] You said: [quote]As for men, they are wired to be protectors, at least when you are with a bunch of guys you dont have to worry about protecting them in that *manly* way. Its more of a brotherhood thing.[/quote] To which I responded: [quote]So....you're saying this is a bro-mance thing...[/quote] From the Urban dictionary... The intense love shared between heterosexual males. A form of male bonding and usually invisible to the naked eye. This bond is normally only shared between two males that have a deeper understanding of each other, in a way no woman could ever realise. [url="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bromance"]source[/url] It was a joke, sorry to confuse. Edited June 25, 2011 by Cam42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InPersonaChriste Posted June 25, 2011 Author Share Posted June 25, 2011 [quote name='Cam42' timestamp='1309000716' post='2258543'] You said: To which I responded: From the Urban dictionary... The intense love shared between heterosexual males. A form of male bonding and usually invisible to the naked eye. This bond is normally only shared between two males that have a deeper understanding of each other, in a way no woman could ever realise. [url="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bromance"]source[/url] It was a joke, sorry to confuse. [/quote] Lol sorry! haha I know what bro-mance is.. I have just never heard it typed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 I am opposed on moral grounds to the involvement of women in direct, front-line combat. There is a special privilege granted to women. Women generate other human beings. Violence against them therefore [u][b]especially[/b][/u] violates that which human beings should hold most sacred: Life. The push to subject women to every form of brutality is a sign of the decay of our society - both the failure of men to be men and all people to appreciate the power and beauty of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 [quote name='Lilllabettt' timestamp='1309020560' post='2258630'] I am opposed on moral grounds to the involvement of women in direct, front-line combat. There is a special privilege granted to women. Women generate other human beings. Violence against them therefore [u][b]especially[/b][/u] violates that which human beings should hold most sacred: Life. The push to subject women to every form of brutality is a sign of the decay of our society - both the failure of men to be men and all people to appreciate the power and beauty of life. [/quote] But isn't that sexist and discriminatory? And in "our society" I don't see women pushed, I see them running toward it. So, with them being human persons and with them holding equal footing with men on the human person part, if that is what they want to do, let 'em. But the criteria above which I listed still applies, in the application as I would have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InPersonaChriste Posted June 25, 2011 Author Share Posted June 25, 2011 [quote name='Cam42' timestamp='1309021568' post='2258633'] But isn't that sexist and discriminatory? And in "our society" I don't see women pushed, I see them running toward it. So, with them being human persons and with them holding equal footing with men on the human person part, if that is what they want to do, let 'em. But the criteria above which I listed still applies, in the application as I would have it. [/quote] I think it is a mindset now. They were pushed before. now they are in a mindset where they think they have to be a certain way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 [quote name='Cam42' timestamp='1309021568' post='2258633'] And in "our society" I don't see women pushed, I see them running toward it. [/quote] No one is standing there with a gun to their heads. But pop culture is as big a push as anything. Women's bodies have the potential to gestate new human beings. Because of that they are symbols of life, and peace, and safety, and hope for the future. Violence against them is an attack on all these things. The effect on morale is tremendous. And it undermines the cohesion of our society in irreversible ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AccountDeleted Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Personally, I selfishly wish my daughter weren't in the US army, especially as she is on her second tour of the Middle East. I am happy however that she is a cook, and stays behind the lines. She isn't exposed to deadly fire, but there are always stray bombs and land mines here and there so I'll be a lot happier when she is back at home again. Generally, I agree with Lillibettt - women have a very important role in bearing children, and they should leave the fighting to the men.... but I have to support those women who are already in the military because I think their intentions (however misguided) are honourable and all of the military deserves our support. Our society is so upside down that it seems like a good thing to them! If they are rushing towards it, they have probably been 'brainwashed' into thinking that it is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 I say let 'em fight.... A uterus doesn't a person make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AccountDeleted Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 (edited) I don't know if it's harder for parents to send a daughter off to a war zone than it is sending a son... any parents have both in the military? I just hate her being over there, especially as she just had a baby [s]earlier this year[/s]. My bad - how time flies - she had the baby last June but it seems like just yesterday. It still seems unconscionable that the military would post a new mother to the Middle East, even if she is a cook! But is that sexist? Is it harder on the child for the new mother or father to go? And I guess it's just as hard on either parent to be separated from the baby. Edited June 25, 2011 by nunsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InPersonaChriste Posted June 26, 2011 Author Share Posted June 26, 2011 [quote name='nunsense' timestamp='1309035477' post='2258723'] I don't know if it's harder for parents to send a daughter off to a war zone than it is sending a son... any parents have both in the military? I just hate her being over there, especially as she just had a baby [s]earlier this year[/s]. My bad - how time flies - she had the baby last June but it seems like just yesterday. It still seems unconscionable that the military would post a new mother to the Middle East, even if she is a cook! But is that sexist? Is it harder on the child for the new mother or father to go? And I guess it's just as hard on either parent to be separated from the baby. [/quote] Yes, but they still have conciously volunteered to be sent wherever the government need them most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adele Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 I am a woman who was a US Army MP (Military Police) for three years and a US Army CID (Criminal Investigation Division) agent for three years. I think that women make significant contributions to the Armed Forces in combat support roles but I agree that they should be restricted from joining combat MOS's (Modes of Service). We have unique strengths but physical prowess isn't one of them - and physical strength is important on the front line. I won't go deep into other reasons why women should not be routinely exposed to combat situations (even combat training) except to say that men commonly talk in a vulgar way about women in the field, swearing is common, and bathing is infrequent. I am glad that society still protects women from combat situations (and training) in limited ways, even if young (and sometimes very young) women think they want exposure to such things. Thanks for reading this opinion of mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithLuin Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Thank you for sharing, [b]Adele[/b], and thank you for your years of service Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithLuin Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 [quote name='IcePrincessKRS' timestamp='1308918391' post='2258043'] There are a few combat arms jobs women are allowed to hold now, but I honestly don't believe that foot-patrol-infantry is ideal for a woman. I'm not against women in the military at all, but there are undeniable differences between men and women; our strengths and weaknesses are different. We need to play on those strengths. All soldiers are going to learn the same basic stuff, but a female soldier who is, for example, doing a computer related job, isn't going to have as much field training as a man who is in the infantry. (I can say this with confidence because my husband has worked both of those jobs.) I'm not poo-pooing women in the military, I'm just trying to have a realistic view of where most of us women would fit best into the military. [b]For the vast majority of us, I don't think it's the front lines.[/b] [/quote] Agreed. And even if there are a handful of women who can handle it, why put them in that situation? As for new parents being deployed to war zones....my brother-in-law was deployed 3 weeks after the birth of his son, and he'll be deployed about one month prior to the birth of his 3rd child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InPersonaChriste Posted June 30, 2011 Author Share Posted June 30, 2011 Thank you Adele :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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