Nihil Obstat Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 [quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1308874276' post='2257882'] well, to the question, no they most certainly are not. but further, the OP is a canadian, like you and me, so perhaps a better question is about the canadian military? [/quote] I tend to assume that the Canadian military is essentially just a smaller version of the American military that does less worldwide. I'm sure there are flaws with that perspective, but that's just my superficial view of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xSilverPhinx Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Have you considered other alternatives such as doctors without borders or that sort of aid group? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 [quote name='MithLuin' timestamp='1308846181' post='2257709'] Women can join the Marines, [b]In Persona Christe[/b]. They just can't be in infantry. So, if you want to serve your country, go ahead! You probably won't 'see action', but so what? [/quote] This is not exactly true. Women were attached to the infantry on the front lines in Iraq, went on raids, and did security patrols, have received the Purple Heart for action in combat situations, and 23 of them died. They are the [i]Lionesses[/i], ostensibly sent in to deal with the women and children, but in fact saw combat with their male counterparts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithLuin Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 (edited) Marines or Army? The Lionesses were [url=http://www.womensmemorial.org/News/Lioness.html]US Army soldiers[/url], not Marines. Typically, a female's assignment will be a support role, not infantry, though that does not mean she won't be in a convoy that will get attacked. That support role [i]can[/i] include searching people/ guard duty. Edited June 24, 2011 by MithLuin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AudreyGrace Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 [img]http://cd4sell.com/PRODUCTS/mulan-DVDcover.jpg[/img] haha no, but seriously though... [img]http://saints.sqpn.com/wp-content/gallery/saint-joan-of-arc/saint-joan-of-arc-03.jpg[/img] St. Joan of Arc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Cat Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Somehow I will make a man out of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vee Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Since Canada's Navy looks basically like this no wonder we have women soldiers. We need all the help we can get. [img]http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/224143_8468959725_541214725_321104_8185_n.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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IcePrincessKRS Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1308803454' post='2257567'] My daughter weighs 115 lbs and carries a pack that weighs 50+ lbs, it takes a hell of a toll on her back and knees but she endures. [/quote] It's tough on 6 foot tall men who weigh close to 200 lbs, I can imagine how it must be for a woman. I've had to pick up and move around my husband's gear. I wouldn't want to carry it around all the time like female soldiers and Marines have to. [quote name='Mr.CatholicCat' timestamp='1308803599' post='2257571'] Soldiers are professional killers, they pull a trigger or threaten the same. Why not women? [/quote] Well, to be fair, there's a little more to the job than that. [quote name='MithLuin' timestamp='1308888700' post='2257967'] Marines or Army? The Lionesses were [url=http://www.womensmemorial.org/News/Lioness.html]US Army soldiers[/url], not Marines. Typically, a female's assignment will be a support role, not infantry, though that does not mean she won't be in a convoy that will get attacked. That support role [i]can[/i] include searching people/ guard duty. [/quote] I think the Lioness women weren't actually expecting to see as much combat as they did. I remember listening to them on NPR a couple years ago, they were called in on those patrols because of the religious and cultural rules--the male soldiers couldn't search the women, etc., so they brought women soldiers in to do the job. There are a few combat arms jobs women are allowed to hold now, but I honestly don't believe that foot-patrol-infantry is ideal for a woman. I'm not against women in the military at all, but there are undeniable differences between men and women; our strengths and weaknesses are different. We need to play on those strengths. All soldiers are going to learn the same basic stuff, but a female soldier who is, for example, doing a computer related job, isn't going to have as much field training as a man who is in the infantry. (I can say this with confidence because my husband has worked both of those jobs.) I'm not poo-pooing women in the military, I'm just trying to have a realistic view of where most of us women would fit best into the military. For the vast majority of us, I don't think it's the front lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InPersonaChriste Posted June 24, 2011 Author Share Posted June 24, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1308866997' post='2257823'] Honest question, not trying to start a flamewar: do you believe that the American military is working exclusively and effectively for the greater good everywhere in which it is currently operating? [/quote] Nope, BUt i do think that they all have their countries so called best interests at heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 [quote name='InPersonaChriste' timestamp='1308919666' post='2258048'] Nope, BUt i do think that they all have their countries so called best interests at heart. [/quote] Is intention enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 the road to hell is paved with good intentions.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 I think that if a woman wants to fight on the front lines, let her. No kidding. If she wants to serve her country that way, so be it. The only thing I expect as a citizen of said country is that she be able to fulfill all the roles and expectations which are asked of her. If she cannot, then she has no place on the front line. If she can, ooh-rah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InPersonaChriste Posted June 24, 2011 Author Share Posted June 24, 2011 [quote name='Cam42' timestamp='1308929006' post='2258097'] I think that if a woman wants to fight on the front lines, let her. No kidding. If she wants to serve her country that way, so be it. The only thing I expect as a citizen of said country is that she be able to fulfill all the roles and expectations which are asked of her. If she cannot, then she has no place on the front line. If she can, ooh-rah. [/quote] You made me lol.. haha As for people in this debate, I am really talking about the Canadian Military, not the American. Their is a difference. I actually find that Canadians are more open to women in the military than that of the American troops. I am still debating with myself if it could be a potential distraction and jeapardy to have women on the front lines. As for men, they are wired to be protectors, at least when you are with a bunch of guys you dont have to worry about protecting them in that *manly* way. Its more of a brotherhood thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 [quote name='InPersonaChriste' timestamp='1308930814' post='2258107'] You made me lol.. haha As for people in this debate, I am really talking about the Canadian Military, not the American. Their is a difference. I actually find that Canadians are more open to women in the military than that of the American troops. I am still debating with myself if it could be a potential distraction and jeapardy to have women on the front lines. As for men, they are wired to be protectors, at least when you are with a bunch of guys you dont have to worry about protecting them in that *manly* way. Its more of a brotherhood thing. [/quote] So....you're saying this is a bro-mance thing....much like what jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff) and I have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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