Nihil Obstat Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 I'm religious, but not spiritual. "BOSTON—Father Clancy Donahue of St. Michael Catholic Church told reporters Wednesday that while he believed in blindly adhering to the dogma and ceremonies of his faith, he tried not to get too bogged down by actual spirituality. "I'm not so much into having a relationship with God as I am into mechanically conducting various rituals," Donahue said. "To me, it just feels empty to contemplate a higher power without blindly obeying canon law and protecting the church as an institution." Donahue emphasized that although he did not personally agree with those who pondered the eternal, he had nothing against them." [url="http://www.theonion.com/articles/priest-religious-but-not-really-spiritual,17373/"]http://www.theonion.com/articles/priest-religious-but-not-really-spiritual,17373/[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1308349417' post='2255351'] I'm religious, but not spiritual. [/quote] I would say that your spirituality is Kolbian...based on your profile picture. I would also say that your spirituality is Jesusian, because of your righteous beard. I love you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 [quote name='Cam42' timestamp='1308349974' post='2255354'] I would say that your spirituality is Kolbian...based on your profile picture. I would also say that your spirituality is Jesusian, because of your righteous beard. I love you. [/quote] I am honoured. [img]http://wpshrine.com/uploads/subb/wpshrine_Lucky_Star_91_1280x800.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenciledOne Posted June 17, 2011 Author Share Posted June 17, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1308349417' post='2255351'] I'm religious, but not spiritual. "BOSTON—Father Clancy Donahue of St. Michael Catholic Church told reporters Wednesday that while he believed in blindly adhering to the dogma and ceremonies of his faith, he tried not to get too bogged down by actual spirituality. "I'm not so much into having a relationship with God as I am into mechanically conducting various rituals," Donahue said. "To me, it just feels empty to contemplate a higher power without blindly obeying canon law and protecting the church as an institution." Donahue emphasized that although he did not personally agree with those who pondered the eternal, he had nothing against them." [url="http://www.theonion.com/articles/priest-religious-but-not-really-spiritual,17373/"]http://www.theonion....piritual,17373/ [/url] [/quote] Ok, if that's what you want to do Nihil. Do whatever makes you feel secure, but Faith isn't necessarily about security (and no I won't clarify that on purpose, just think about that statement don't try and refute it.) But anyway, thanks for throwing the quote in, I guess Fr. Clancy shares your sentiments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenchild17 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 [quote name='ThePenciledOne' timestamp='1308354594' post='2255379'] Ok, if that's what you want to do Nihil. Do whatever makes you feel secure, but Faith isn't necessarily about security (and no I won't clarify that on purpose, just think about that statement don't try and refute it.) But anyway, thanks for throwing the quote in, I guess Fr. Clancy shares your sentiments. [/quote] [img]http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/the-onion-logo_2521.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Marie Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 [quote name='Noel's angel' timestamp='1308330670' post='2255097'] Unfortunately (in Ireland at least) the Redmptorist Order has gone a bit crackers. [/quote] That doesn't mean the spirituality is gone... we have wonderful redemptorists where I am - but regardless of the actual community - the spirituality of St. Alphonsus remains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 [quote name='ThePenciledOne' timestamp='1308354594' post='2255379'] Ok, if that's what you want to do Nihil. Do whatever makes you feel secure, but Faith isn't necessarily about security (and no I won't clarify that on purpose, just think about that statement don't try and refute it.) But anyway, thanks for throwing the quote in, I guess Fr. Clancy shares your sentiments. [/quote] Wait, what? Check the link address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenciledOne Posted June 18, 2011 Author Share Posted June 18, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1308364856' post='2255444'] Wait, what? Check the link address. [/quote] hmmm gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Good Lord, you didn't think I actually believed any of that, did you? I'm sincerely hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephrem Augustine Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 There is one way of setting up spirituality and prayer around 4 temperments: Ignatian, Thomist, Franciscan, and Augustinian. Augustinian Spirituality in this sense is characterized by prayer provoked through external symbols, like statues, icons, incense, and other sacred objects. The object provoke an interior motion towards prayer. Augustinian Spirituality in the order is defined by interiority: The passionate pursuit of God, friendship, and search for truth. Thats a short summary, any questions? Oh yeah Augustine has a lot to do with it. Read his confessions, and you get an idea of how he might differ from Ignatius, Thomas, and Francis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenciledOne Posted June 18, 2011 Author Share Posted June 18, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1308367738' post='2255461'] Good Lord, you didn't think I actually believed any of that, did you? I'm sincerely hurt. [/quote] Well, Nihil with your constant text dumps of late I couldn't help it bro, my apologies though. [quote name='Ephrem Augustine' timestamp='1308369238' post='2255466'] There is one way of setting up spirituality and prayer around 4 temperments: Ignatian, Thomist, Franciscan, and Augustinian. Augustinian Spirituality in this sense is characterized by prayer provoked through external symbols, like statues, icons, incense, and other sacred objects. The object provoke an interior motion towards prayer. Augustinian Spirituality in the order is defined by interiority: The passionate pursuit of God, friendship, and search for truth. Thats a short summary, any questions? Oh yeah Augustine has a lot to do with it. Read his confessions, and you get an idea of how he might differ from Ignatius, Thomas, and Francis. [/quote] If you have some resources to read that'd be helpful, because I definitely subscribe to some extent Augustinian spirituality and what you have mentioned definitely makes it something for me to look into even more so. I just actually read his conversion in the "Confessions" tonight, which totally rocked my world and brought tears to my eyes. And yes, I can definitely see the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissyP89 Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 In the first few years of my reversion I was an out-and-out Dominican, and still love the charism. (I haven't ruled out being a tertiary someday!) These days, though, I've really needed to pare down and simplify my spirituality to keep things running smoothly. Sooo....I guess I'd say I'm another one for Therese and her Little Way. It's literally what gets me through the day, most of the time. And recently I've really felt a kinship with the Salesians. I'm really burdened for youth, and at the same time, really inspired by them. And Don Bosco is the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithLuin Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 [quote name='Sister Marie' timestamp='1308263185' post='2254811'] Redemptorist Spirituality - the Passion, Eucharist, Incarnation, and the Blessed Mother... and dedication to God's most abandoned poor. Redemption is offered for all through God's passionate love for each of us. If you don't know much about St. Alphonsus - he's the most amesome guy I know and definitely not popular enough! [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/like.gif[/img] [/quote] My great great uncle was a Redemtorist and I agree....avvesome people and spirituality! St. Alphonsus Liguori was such a prolific writer, but if you're not familiar with anything else by him, you probably at least have done his [url=http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/liguori.html]Stations of the Cross[/url] at some point. Reading about the saints only takes you so far, though. If you want to understand a religious order's spirituality, you have to meet people who are living it out. I am, at my heart, Franciscan. Simplicity and poverty are key to my understanding of leading a spiritual life. There's a certain inherent joy in being Franciscan which I enjoy very much. It saddens me when people who do not know or understand St. Francis at all do all sorts of crazy things in his name. I'm not expecting everyone to have read Thomas of Celano's Life of the saint (or even St. Bonaventure's) but reducing him to a hippie who loved nature and poverty without recognizing that he loved Jesus and suffering too dilutes his spirituality beyond recognition. I'm not a very good mendicant, though! I admire Carmelite spirituality from a distance. There's a depth there that I recognize without understanding. I love St. John of the Cross, but have no idea what he's saying. My favorite devotion to Mary is as Our Lady of Mount Carmel, though. I love Dominicans, but despite my love of reading, there's little in that spirituality for me. I don't know why not. Benedictines have always seemed so very well balanced. Work and pray. Enclosure and hospitality. I've only been introduced to Ignatian and Salesian spirituality recently, but I like what little I know of both of them. Very practical, and providing tools to deal with the confusion of the spiritual life and sharing with others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Can someone send the good Redemptorists to Ireland please? This is what we get over here: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKLTvlSdBh8[/media] Who doesn't love a wee sing along in the sanctuary? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2V91IUc-xM[/media] Skip to 15 mins in for the AMAZING offertory dance! (With a lovely round of applause after) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlySunshine Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 [quote name='Noel's angel' timestamp='1308499201' post='2255943'] Can someone send the good Redemptorists to Ireland please? This is what we get over here: Who doesn't love a wee sing along in the sanctuary? Skip to 15 mins in for the AMAZING offertory dance! (With a lovely round of applause after) [/quote] That is just disturbing. I wanted to throw up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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