Women "priests" Defy Catholic Church At The Altar

[Debra Little]

[quote name='nunsense' timestamp='1308059024' post='2253573']
It is so good that we can see this. I am so sad for these women because they aren't doing this just to be in opposition to the Church but because they truly want this in their hearts. The problem with that is that we can't always have what we want in our hearts - sometimes God is asking something else of us. Maybe Jesus would have like to have had a wife and kids - at least He certainly didn't want to go ahead with the Passion, but He surrendered His will to God's will.

These women could be serving the Church in so many other ways, but they insist on this one particular expression of their faith, which is quite clearly denied to them, just as motherhood is denied to men. It is sad, terribly sad that they can't see this because you are right, it will end in broken hearts. Or in anger and more sin.... either way it is sad and bad.
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If we truly wish to follow Jesus we must deny ourselves daily and take up our cross and follow Him. Unless we
are willing to give up to God all that most dear to us we are not worthy to follow Him. The Cross is the way He
wishes to be followed.

[Debra Little]

[quote name='carmenchristi' timestamp='1308152887' post='2254020']
I'm speculating that there has been no formal excommunication because that would be just what the media would want: another opportunity to make the Catholic Church look evil by twisting around the truth. Anyone who is a faithful Catholic should know that these are grounds for latae sententiae excommunication. This has been going on for many years, I think there must be some serious reason why Catholic bishops have done nothing.
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Yeah because the bishops., a lot of them, are lukewarm themselves. And a lot of them are
modernists. Why on earth would they support us?

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Debra Little' timestamp='1308172474' post='2254223']
they can't be in the apostolic succession because they are women and the
apostles were men.
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Hence the plethora of qualifying words, key among them being that the wayward bishop "tried to" ordain them.

Also: multiquote.

[carmenchristi]

[quote name='Debra Little' timestamp='1308173892' post='2254241']
Yeah because the bishops., a lot of them, are lukewarm themselves. And a lot of them are
modernists. Why on earth would they support us?
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Debra, I wouldn't deny for a minute that there seem to be many lukewarm bishops (I say seem, because only God really knows), but at the same time, this is a HUGE issue. I myelf come from a very liberal "modernist" diocese. Actully my Institute tried to open a community there once and was denied the possibility, most likely on the grounds of it's traditional take on the faith and religious life. I do however think that it is a heavy sentence to say that the bishops have done nothing because they are lukewarm liberals. Perhaps a few bishops scattered here and there support the issue (like mine???), perhaps even many bishops support the issue (which I doubt) the fact is, it's not a diocesean matter, its a matter of the universal Church. The very fact that there is a worldwide organization of women "priests" is a huge indicator of this. The pope himself could easily intervene, either by obliging the bishops to take action, or by taking action himself. Perhaps his corse of action has specifically been to do nothing. Is that not what happened in the early Church? When different groups arose with questionable origins they were left to their own devices because whatever is not of God is bound to fail.

Why would the bishops support us? Ummm.... I think we should be supporting them. Of course not where heresy or immorality are verified, but can we honestly say for certain that the lack of action on their part is due to some sinister plot, or just plain not caring. For me, that's harsh.

[Debra Little]

[quote name='carmenchristi' timestamp='1308217404' post='2254493']
Debra, I wouldn't deny for a minute that there seem to be many lukewarm bishops (I say seem, because only God really knows), but at the same time, this is a HUGE issue. I myelf come from a very liberal "modernist" diocese. Actully my Institute tried to open a community there once and was denied the possibility, most likely on the grounds of it's traditional take on the faith and religious life. I do however think that it is a heavy sentence to say that the bishops have done nothing because they are lukewarm liberals. Perhaps a few bishops scattered here and there support the issue (like mine???), perhaps even many bishops support the issue (which I doubt) the fact is, it's not a diocesean matter, its a matter of the universal Church. The very fact that there is a worldwide organization of women "priests" is a huge indicator of this. The pope himself could easily intervene, either by obliging the bishops to take action, or by taking action himself. Perhaps his corse of action has specifically been to do nothing. Is that not what happened in the early Church? When different groups arose with questionable origins they were left to their own devices because whatever is not of God is bound to fail.

Why would the bishops support us? Ummm.... I think we should be supporting them. Of course not where heresy or immorality are verified, but can we honestly say for certain that the lack of action on their part is due to some sinister plot, or just plain not caring. For me, that's harsh.
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You are right. It's not fair of me to lump all bishops together. I was thinking of our bishop here in our diocese. I haven't heard much good about him but I
don't pay attention too much to all the talk because I don't know him personally. I'm sure there are still a lot of holy priests and bishops. Why is it, though,
that the ones we hear about are the liberalist modernist bishops. My parish is modernist and when I returned to the Church I couldn't believe the change. It
gotten worse in my absence. This has always bothered me and it's very sad. These people are putting their own souls at stake and the souls of their flocks.
Why don't they care?